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  • robbalto
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    #427497

    This is only for the hardcore daytime geeks! 

    Imagine that you have a chance to create the daytime lineup of serials for each network. Here are the guidelines…

    1. You can schedule any serial past or present
    2. Your shows can be 30 or 60 minutes.
    3. Now here is the challenge. You must adhere to the current amount of time each network is willing to give to daytime serials. So that is 90 minutes for CBS, and 60 minutes for ABC and NBC.

    Here is what my schedule would look like:

    CBS
    12:30 The Young and the Restless
    1:00 Guiding Light
    1:30 As the World Turns
    Commentary: I feel that GL and particularly ATWT were cancelled too soon. I think they should have been given a chance in the 30-minute format before letting them go altogether. In order to maintain the CBS 90-minute block, I would let go of 30 minutes of Y&R and cut B&B altogether. There are two other CBS shows that I would also like to revisit. Love of Life ended in 1980 with unresolved storylines. It would be interesting to revive the show and wrap up those stories 35 years in the future. I would also like to revive The Secret Storm — just because I like the title.

    NBC
    2:00 Days of Our Lives
    2:30 The Doctors
    Commentary: The shows actually occupied these time slots (I think in the early 70s). The Retro Channel recently revived The Doctors. So this might be the perfect time for a reboot of the classic serial. Hopefully it would be more like Grey’s Anatomy than The Sopranos. In order to make room for The Doctors, I would cut Days to 30 minutes. Other NBC shows that I would revive include Santa Barbara and Another World. 

    ABC
    3:00 General Hospital
    3:30 The Edge of Night
    Commentary: Selecting EON is a tough call because there are so many choices. I eliminated AMC and OLTL because they are technically unavailable due to the lawsuit. I would, however, love to see a reboot of Ryan’s Hope and they have already (modestly) crossed over to GH. However, I think EON would make the perfect companion to GH, and the EON concept has a timeless quality that seems quite viable in today’s tv environment.

    I guess it is obvious from my selections that I miss the cozy, quaint 30-minute east coast soap. I feel the 60-minute soap (5 hours a week) is just too much. I think history has shown that quality is very difficult to maintain with such heavy output. Even in the best of times, GH, Days, and Y&R have been bogged down with lame B-stories. I’m all about core families and characters that I can root for.

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    Boidiva02
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    Darn! it took three tries but I finally got this posted. I kept having to sign back in because apparently it signs you out after a certain time period.  I did my best!

    ABC: (60 min limit; 2 shows at 30 mins each=60 mins)

    1pm: General Hospital (30-minutes)

    130: All My Children (30-minutes)

    Commentary: In order to maintain the 60min limit, I’d cut
    “GH” into a half-hour format and pair it with a revamped “AMC” at 130.   I think “AMC” was the least harmed by the PP
    version and doesn’t have the odd history with “GH” that the “OLTL” revamp does.
      To foster a creative renniansce I’d
    hire Wendy Riche back at “GH” as EP, and pair her once again with Claire
    Labaine as HW.   AT AMC, I’d have
    Lorraine Broderick as HW and pair her with Felicia Mieni Behr.   It would make sense to keep these shows
    operating seperatly and have no crossovers between the two.

     

    CBS: (90 min limit; 6 shows at 30 mins each=90 mins)

    12pm: The Young & Restless (half-hour) 

    1230: The Bold & Beautiful (half-hour)

    1pm: Guiding Light (half-hour)

    130: As The World Turns (half-hour)

    2pm: Edge of Night (half-hour)

    230: Capitol (half-hour)

    Commentary: In order to keep the 90 min time limit; I’d cut
    Y&R, ATWT and GL to 30-minute installments.   The two Bell soaps would still air back to
    back; and would operate on one-budget; and one studio.      I would name Bradley Bell as E.P. of both
    series; and move JFP over to another program more suited to her style.  I’d fire the entire B&B writing staff;
    and would name Patrick Mulchaey and Shelley Altman as HW’s for both shows.    AT GL, I’d put Jon Conboy as E.P. with Pam
    Long & Millie Taggert sharing HW duties. At ATWT, I’d have Chris Goutman as
    EP and pair him with HW Richard Culliton as HW.    At EON, I’d have Jill Farren Phelps as
    Executive Producer and pair her with Robert Guza and Charles Pratt as HW’s.
    They would be emboldened to create an edgy, dark crime drama focused on justice
    and truth.   In order to allude to the
    former version of the series; the new characters featured would be the
    grandchildren and great grandchildren of many characters from the original
    series; but the storylines would pretty much be separate. And lastly at
    Capitol, I’d hire Paul Rauch as E.P for the first year to set-up the series;
    and then he’d be replaced by current GH producer Fran Valentini.   I’d have Michael Malone & Josh Griffith
    as the headwriters throughout.    

     

    NBC: (60 min time limit; 2 shows at 30 mins each=60 mins)

    1pm: Days of Our Lives (cut to half-hour)

    130: Another World 
    (cut to half-hour)

    Commentary:   In order
    to adhere to the one-hour limit I’d reduce both shows to half-hour
    versions.  I picked these two series as
    they are imho, the most important of NBC’s serials ever.  At DOOL, I’d keep Ken Corday and Lisa de
    Cazotte as E.P. and Gary Tomlin as HW.  
    At AW, I’d move Greg Meng over as E.P. and pair him with Leah Lamain
    & Jean Passanante as Head Writers.  
    Creatively, I would envision DOOL focusing mostly on the 20something and
    teens; with most of the older cast departing or appearing as background or
    supporting players. At AW, I’d try to incorporate more of a multi-generational
    feel with newly created characters serving as the children or grandchildren of
    characters from the previous series.  
    Several former cast would return in supporting roles to drive the new
    series.   DOOL would ditch the use of its
    classic opening sequence to save time; cast credits would be presented at the
    start of the show in print like a primetime drama.   AW would present its cast credits in the end
    credits.

     

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    EmmyLoser
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    This was a great idea, robbalto!  I’ve been thinking a lot about what I’d do, what shows are important to me and how to manage the time limitations.  (I was tempted to try to break the rules and cancel some talk shows to make more time, but I ditched that idea.)  All my shows are a half hour.  Here’s what I’d do:

    NBC
    12:00 — Days of our Lives
    12:30 — Santa Barbara

    Because of the time restriction, no one show can be a full hour, so DAYS gets cut back to a half hour, but still gets the lead-off position.  I would follow this with Santa Barbara, which just, to me, embodies that lush feel of soaps in the 80s that no longer exists.  The show had some amazing and memorable years, and I’d love to see what they would do now, in the wake of shows like The Hills and Real Housewives of Orange County and such that have projected their own image of privileged West Coast living.

    ABC
    3:00 — Port Charles
    3:30 — General Hospital

    The ABC shows are so tricky for me because they’re all connected, and over the course of shifts in venue and creative teams, they’ve lost their identity.  I love the idea of Port Charles and General Hospital together because they’re two sides of the same coin and they could play to what have traditionally been ABC soaps’ different strengths more strongly.  Port Charles, in my mind, should be more like what GH is now.  It should be campy and fun, and could really work under Cartini, who are great at spectacle and can’t resist a wink and a nod or the opportunity to do something zany.  This could be paired with GH, set in the same place, which would have a more serious tone and be more traditional in terms of dealing with families, the hospital, ELQ and possibly other businesses, and social issues.  This would be the show that more reflects classic OLTL and AMC in a lot of ways, and maybe some of those characters could move over to PC eventually.  My first thought was GH with an OLTL/AMC hybrid show, but I think a PC/GH combo also allows for crossovers and flow between the shows.  They could easily do sweeps events that just last an hour rather than being broken in half, and some cast members (especially recurring ones) could overlap between shows.

    CBS
    12:30 — The Young and the Restless +
    1:00 — As The World Turns
    1:30 — Another World

    Yeah, here’s where I really got crazy.  For one, I’m sorry to The Bold and the Beautiful.  But that show, at its heart, is only about a handful of characters, and I’d find a reason to transplant them to Genoa City as a replacement for some of the many current Young and the Restless characters that no one cares about.  It would also be fun seeing people who’ve had history on both shows like Ashley and Lauren interacting with the transplanted B&B folks.  I’d follow that with As The World Turns, which I do think was cancelled too soon and of which I was more fond than Guiding Light.  Both shows were messy at the end, but ATWT wasn’t quite as messy from what I saw, and still feels like it has the bones to make some great soap.  Then I would continue the P&G hour with Another World.  I know AW didn’t air on CBS, but I was more interested in keeping Santa Barbara than almost any of the CBS shows, and this swap allowed that to happen.  Besides, there was overlap between ATWT and AW, and the shows are a great match in terms of tone and style.  

    I can’t even almost name EPs and HWs for all the shows, but I have some ideas of who I’d want to lead these revamps.  Obviously, I’d send Maura West back to ATWT where Carly would be Queen B, and I would have Judi Evans as AW’s leading lady.  I’d mostly split the current GH cast between GH and PC.  SB would take some more thought.

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    Boidiva02
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    I like both your schedules! 

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    DS0816
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    #427502

    Nowhere did it mention that the serials have to air five days per week.

    So, even though this doesn’t seem complete, here goes.…

    ABC

    YEAR ROUND

    Mondays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: All My Children

    Tuesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: One Life to Live

    Wednesdays @ 02:30 p.m. ET: Ryan’s Hope

    Thursdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: Dark Shadows

    Fridays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: General Hospital

    SEASONAL

    Wednesday @ 02:00 p.m. ET: The Young Marrieds (January through March)

    Wednesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: A World Apart (April through June)

    Wednesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: Loving (July through September)

    Wednesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: The City (October through December)

    Thursdays @ 02:30 p.m. ET: [The] Edge of Night (January through June)

    Thursdays @ 02:30 p.m. ET: Port Charles (July through December)

     

    CBS

    Mondays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: The Young and the Restless

    Mondays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: The Bold and the Beautiful

    Tuesdays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: Where the Heart Is

    Tuesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: As the World Turns

    Wednesdays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: Ma Perkins

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: A Brighter Day

    Wednesdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Young Doctor Malone

    Thursdays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: Capitol

    Thursdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Love of Life

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Love Is a Many Splendored Thing

    Fridays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: The Secret Storm

    Fridays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: [The] Guiding Light

     

    NBC

    YEAR ROUND

    Mondays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Santa Barbara

    Tuesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Another World

    Fridays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Days of Our Lives

    SEASONAL

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Somerset (January through March)

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Texas (April through June)

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Sunset Beach (July through September)

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Passions (October through December)

    Wednesdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Hidden Faces (January through March)

    Thursdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: The Doctors (January through June)

    Thursdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Search for Tomorrow (July through December)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Generations (January through March)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: How to Survive a Marriage (April through June)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Lovers and Friends (July through September)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Return to Peyton Place (October through December)

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    EmmyLoser
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    Thanks, Boidiva!  DS0816, I had considered splitting the days among more than one show, but certainly I hadn’t conceived anything so ambitious as this.  Amazing.

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    Boidiva02
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    #427504

    Nowhere did it mention that the serials have to air five days per week.

    So, even though this doesn’t seem complete, here goes.…

    ABC

    YEAR ROUND

    Mondays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: All My Children

    Tuesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: One Life to Live

    Wednesdays @ 02:30 p.m. ET: Ryan’s Hope

    Thursdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: Dark Shadows

    Fridays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: General Hospital

    SEASONAL

    Wednesday @ 02:00 p.m. ET: The Young Marrieds (January through March)

    Wednesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: A World Apart (April through June)

    Wednesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: Loving (July through September)

    Wednesdays @ 02:00 p.m. ET: The City (October through December)

    Thursdays @ 02:30 p.m. ET: [The] Edge of Night (January through June)

    Thursdays @ 02:30 p.m. ET: Port Charles (July through December)

     

    CBS

    Mondays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: The Young and the Restless

    Mondays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: The Bold and the Beautiful

    Tuesdays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: Where the Heart Is

    Tuesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: As the World Turns

    Wednesdays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: Ma Perkins

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: A Brighter Day

    Wednesdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Young Doctor Malone

    Thursdays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: Capitol

    Thursdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Love of Life

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Love Is a Many Splendored Thing

    Fridays @ 12:30 p.m. ET: The Secret Storm

    Fridays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: [The] Guiding Light

     

    NBC

    YEAR ROUND

    Mondays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Santa Barbara

    Tuesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Another World

    Fridays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Days of Our Lives

    SEASONAL

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Somerset (January through March)

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Texas (April through June)

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Sunset Beach (July through September)

    Wednesdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Passions (October through December)

    Wednesdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Hidden Faces (January through March)

    Thursdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: The Doctors (January through June)

    Thursdays @ 01:00 p.m. ET: Search for Tomorrow (July through December)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Generations (January through March)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: How to Survive a Marriage (April through June)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Lovers and Friends (July through September)

    Thursdays @ 01:30 p.m. ET: Return to Peyton Place (October through December)

    Very impressive schedule, very impressive.   

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    robbalto
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    Boidiva, I like your schedule, too! Very impressed with the way you assigned execs and writers! EmmyLoser, I totally understand the pairing of ATWT and AW. And of course since they really did crossover, that makes it all better. AW was originally intended as a spinoff from ATWT. Your rationale for GH and PC reminded me that I used to have the same type of thoughts when PC was still airing. I used a similar strategy in pairing GH with EON. And DS0816, all I can say is, wow, what a great nod to daytime history! Alas, I am a creature of habit and one of the appeals of the daytime serial for me is the reliability of the same show at the same time, Monday through Friday.

    One common element of our schedules is that we all chose the 30-minute format over a full hour. Which begs the question, would viewers rather have 7 half-hour soaps on the air or stick with the current 4? The answer is easy for me. Given the amount of time each network currents allots for serials, I would rather have 7 half-hour soaps. I wonder if there are others who feel the same way. In any case, networks are not going to be back-track and replace 30 minutes of a popular soap with a reboot or a new show. In the short term, it would not be profitable. But in the long run, it might. 

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    Boidiva02
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    Boidiva, I like your schedule, too! Very impressed with the way you assigned execs and writers! EmmyLoser, I totally understand the pairing of ATWT and AW. And of course since they really did crossover, that makes it all better. AW was originally intended as a spinoff from ATWT. Your rationale for GH and PC reminded me that I used to have the same type of thoughts when PC was still airing. I used a similar strategy in pairing GH with EON. And DS0816, all I can say is, wow, what a great nod to daytime history! Alas, I am a creature of habit and one of the appeals of the daytime serial for me is the reliability of the same show at the same time, Monday through Friday.

    One common element of our schedules is that we all chose the 30-minute format over a full hour. Which begs the question, would viewers rather have 7 half-hour soaps on the air or stick with the current 4? The answer is easy for me. Given the amount of time each network currents allots for serials, I would rather have 7 half-hour soaps. I wonder if there are others who feel the same way. In any case, networks are not going to be back-track and replace 30 minutes of a popular soap with a reboot or a new show. In the short term, it would not be profitable. But in the long run, it might. 

    i would rather have 7-half hour soaps then four 1-hour ones.   I also think that the half-hour format would allow writers to focus on character development and they wouldn’t get boggled down as much in plot.      It would also reduce the cast size and budget.

    I would certainly settle for a half-hour version of OLTL or AMC now on ABC than another talk show. 

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    Despite what my schedule suggests, I think I prefer three hour-long shows to six half-hour ones.  I think I’d feel generally unsatisfied with only a half hour of a soap I love, and I’d actually worry that rather than freeing the shows from being bogged down with plot, the shorter format would do just the opposite.  I fear writers would only focus on plot and throw character development right out the window in a lot of cases.  But I think then all the shows would be like B&B, where the show is basically only really about a handful of people, and the supporting cast that surrounds them barely matters in some cases.

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    Boidiva02
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     But I think then all the shows would be like B&B, where the show is basically only really about a handful of people, and the supporting cast that surrounds them barely matters in some cases.

    I kinda feel like GH already is at this point, and that going down to 30 minuets would force them to cut out the filler… I guess the problem would be that they would disagree with fans about what characters to focus on. 

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    EmmyLoser
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    You make a good point, but that would be my fear exactly, and not just GH.  The hour format gives the shows the latitude to focus on the characters/stories the creators think are great while also spending time on characters/stories they think the fans want.  I think GH and DAYS are balancing this well for the most part, where it seems like Y&R is kind of missing the mark in terms of what the audience wants.

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    Boidiva02
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    I guess a big problem with half-hour shows is that if one story or character isn’t working out it really drags down the whole show, whereas in an hour show you have more leeway to fix those slowly because you can focus on other characters.

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    robbalto
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    I think it really boils down to the talent of the writers and producers. If they give us characters we love, we are going to enjoy the show whether it’s 30 or 60 minutes. I like the idea that I can turn on a particular show to see my favorites. When that does not happen, I become disenchanted. For example, Anna is one of my favorites on GH. But at times she is not on screen for a week or two. I don’t like that. Over the years, I have tuned in for Monica Quartermaine, Luke and Laura, Phillip Spaulding, Bob and Kim Hughes, Lucinda Walsh, Kay Chancellor and Jill Abbott, and many others… this is what drives me as a viewer. I like the idea of a more focused 30-minute show, where it is the responsibility of the execs to make good choices regarding which characters to feature. But I also get the fact that they may not make good choices, so the 60-minute show can provide a little something for everyone… a safe option, but not the road to glory.

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    CBS
    12:30 – Y&R
    1PM – ATWT
    1:30 – GL

    NBC
    1PM – Days
    1:30 – Santa Barbara

    ABC
    2PM – GH
    2:30 – The Edge of Night 

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