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  • DS0816
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    This is a suggested thread for “Soap Notes”—taking any discussion in the direction of whatever springs to one’s mind.

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    CBS’ The Bold and the Beautiful—and why it has not updated its opening cast credits. I love the opening! The music. The pacing. The inclusion of cast. It flows together beautifully. The 26-year-old serial has kept it up with removing the credits of cast members who left the series—notably Emmy winner Susan Flannery and her screen son Ronn Moss after their exits in 2012. But why the hell hasn’t B&B updated more recently to include the additions of Emmy winners Darin Brooks and Rena Sofer? Brooks first appeared this past June. I think Sofer’s first appearance was in July. It’s going on six months for the former and, if another month passes without an update, it will also be close to six months for the latter. Come on, B&B

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    Matt McClamrock
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    #425459

    Hi Dave! My guess is that they don’t bother to spend the money since most new characters on this show rarely last more than a year before they are backburnered and forgotten.  

     

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    EmmyLoser
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    It’s always nice seeing soaps getting positive press, like this article from TV Guide, and not even from the soaps section!

    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Biz-Soaps-Bubbling-1074131.aspx

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    DS0816
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    Debbi Morgan says no to Emmy. Here is a report.…


    Debbi Morgan won’t submit her name for an Emmy

    By Dan J. Kroll (12.03.2013)
    @ http://www.soapcentral.com/amc/news/2013/1203-morgan_emmys.php

    Debbi Morgan has informed fans that she will not be submitting her name for Daytime Emmy consideration this year. The Emmy-winning actress has already landed some post-All My Children work.  

    A rule change earlier this year by the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS) cleared the way for the web-based version of All My Children and One Life to Live to be eligible to compete in all of the major categories at the Daytime Emmys. But that was before production on both shows was indefinitely suspended. And now one performer who was considered to be a frontrunner for a nomination has bowed out.

    “I’ve decided not 2 have my name submitted 4 Emmy consideration this year cuz I just really, really want 2 move on,” Debbi Morgan (Angie Hubbard) announced via Twitter. “The many months of being told we’re on hiatus but [would be] coming bck & then snatching the rug from under us & the fans has been very emotional. So right now the head space I’m in is just completely distancing myself from AMC [with] regards of an Emmy consideration.”

    “I will 4 ever B grateful 4 the years of playing Angie beautifully created by our beloved Agnes Nixon… & our most amazing cast will always hold a special place in my heart… Darnell, Mickey, Sal, Cady, Thorsten, Vincent… just to name a few,” Morgan continued. “However, with the end happening in the way that it did, for right now, I just want to remove any reminders of our untimely end [and] to be honest I don’t need an Emmy 2 recognize how much U all loved the work I was able 2 bring 2 U. Your tweets said it all & that’s ‘Emmy’ enough for me!”

    Morgan already has one Emmy win under her belt. In 1989, Morgan tied for the Outstanding Supporting Actress trophy with Nancy Lee Grahn (ex-Julia Wainwright, Santa Barbara; [now Alexis, General Hospital]).

    Morgan has already booked a post-AMC project. The actress will appear as Estelle in rapper 50 Cent’s new STARZ drama, Power.     

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    EmmyLoser
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    That’s a shame she won’t submit for Emmy consideration (it seems to be a thing more and more actors are doing, even those currently on shows that still air on networks, though I hope that trend doesn’t continue), but I understand just wanting to move past all of it and on to the next thing.

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    gdfl
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    I’m less disappointed with this news than I expected to be. Probably because I’m still scarred by DM’s embarrassingly bad performances on Y&R, and she trends not to submit well anyway (see her last two nominations) so I never really expected her to be competitive for the win this year.

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    eastwest
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    I totally get where Debbi is coming from. PP did everyone a disservice and she already has one. I think she could’ve been competitive, but she is getting her mind right for her next act.

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    eastwest
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    The Daytime Emmys are moving to online voting for the upcoming ceremony. More here.

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    EmmyLoser
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    Yeah, while I think that DM’s decision not to compete is a shame for her fans and fans of her work on AMC this year, I’m not personally so disappointed.  I mean, I like Debbie Morgan, but I’m not looking for anyone other than Elieen Davidson to be winning that Emmy.

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    DS0816
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    Yeah, while I think that [Debbi Morgan’s] decision not to compete is a shame for her fans and fans of her work on [All My Children] this year, I’m not personally so disappointed.  I mean, I like Debbi Morgan, but I’m not looking for anyone other than Elieen Davidson to be winning that Emmy [for Days of Our Lives].

    As am I.

    Right now, the longest streak of consecutive acting wins, for a Daytime Emmy, is three. That has been the limit. That was true with Jennifer Finnigan (The Bold and the Beautiful), who was first to three-peat in as many years, and with Jennifer Landon in the 2000s. And that may be a lot to overcome for those who may want a 2014 win for Heather Tom (B&B).

    The tough spot in which Eileen Davidson may be is that Days of Our Lives has not won a lead-acting Emmy since all the way back in 1975, when both the late Macdonald Carey and Susan Flannery (with the remaining three of her four Emmys for B&B) scored. But, we only have four active soaps left (from television). And I don’t picture much impact from the brief Prospect Park revivals of All My Children and One Life to Live.

    Who on the three other broadcast network soaps deserves a shot at the 2014 lead-actress statue? And were any of them greater than what Eileen Davidson did on Days of Our Lives? I’d say that Maura West, with two wins (in 2007 and 2010 for ATWT), may compete for General Hospital. But I don’t imagine that West would stick out more so than Davidson. B&B may get Heather Tom nominated again, sure, but I think Katherine Kelly Lang resonated more—and Lang should be in lead (not supporting). The Young and the Restless isn’t registering strongly. Are nominating members of the Academy going to once again stick with their reliant selection of Michelle Stafford? And if so, why?!

    I think Debbi Morgan not submitting for a possible nomination for a Daytime Emmy is saying, “I don’t want to be involved.” And that’s just as good a reason as any. One of the women she beat out in 1989, Jane Elliot, opted not to submit in 2013 for her terrific work on GH performed during 2012. More than likely, the reason for that was that, to the 1981 Emmy winning Elliot, the Emmy wasn’t important enough to her personally. The 1982 Emmy winning Robin Strasser (One Life to Live) stopped submitting years ago. And I think, for the vets who bow out (and stay out), they make such a decision based on not feeling there is much of any personal desire, or priority, for competing for and possibly winning at the Emmys.

    If it turns out that Eileen Davision would end up winning the best-actress Emmy in 2014, for work performed during 2013, it will remind me of another “Davidson”—Y&R‘s Doug Davidson—with the win of a lead-acting Emmy from 2013: another excellent, veteran of the daytime soaps who, quite frankly, would be a satisfying victory; partly because the person didn’t reap that many acting nominations through one’s career in daytime; and that vet is well-worthy of experiencing at least a singular victory in this respect.

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    EmmyLoser
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    Last year’s lead actor Emmy was tough because I did have that sentiment of feeling like Doug Davidson’s win would be satisfying, but I also felt like Jason Thompson was very deserving for the work he did in 2012.  Fortunately for Davidson, the voters seemed to feel, as I did, that his episode submission was the stronger of the two and helped him win out. 

    I don’t doubt that Heather Tom will be a force to be reckoned with for the 2014 Emmys.  She really knows how to work her material, and B&B has been great at giving her at least a short term story where she has huge, impactful scenes, AND she gets two half-hour episodes to match the one one-hour episode that Eileen Davidson or anyone else from DAYS, GH, or Y&R would be submitting.  I don’t know how interested voters are in setting up an Emmy dynasty for Tom, though.  I think a big part of the reason this has happened twice in the younger acting categories (and could possibly happen again with Chandler Massey this year) and not in others is because there’s this urgency to woo and reward younger stars, like the daytime world should give them all their Emmys now to either reward them while they still have the chance, before they move on to more high-profile things, or to convince them to stay in daytime rather than searching for greener pastures elsewhere.  That mentality may actually help Davidson, who is already off DAYS and for now only has one shot at this Emmy, where is seems probable that Tom will get a competitive reel from B&B every year from now until who knows when.  And that’s not to say that this is a two-woman race by any means.

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    DS0816
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    I previously posted the following fact: Days of Our Lives has been represented with a lead-acting Emmy nomination for six consecutive years since the year 2008: Thaao Penghlis (ex-Tony Dimera), 2008; Peter Reckell (ex-Bo Brady), 2009; James Scott (EJ Dimera), 2010 and 2011; Crystal Chappell (ex-Carly Manning), 2012; and Peggy McCay (Caroline Brady), 2013.

    I think 2014 will definitely see Days repped in the lead ranks by Eileen Davison (ex-Kristen Dimera).

    Question: How long does the string of lead noms have to add up in consecutive seasons before someone from this NBC serial wins the gold? 

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    DS0816
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    The opening credits to CBS’s The Bold and the Beautiful were finally brought up to date.

    It appears the Monday 12.16.2013 episode was its first showing. Brand-new (to the series) Thorsten Kaye, having taken over the reactivated Ridge Forrester key role, as well as Darin Brooks and Rena Sofer, as son-and-mother team Wyatt and Quinn Fuller, are in the opening credits. Also added: Ashlyn Pearce as Aly Forrester.

    I have been viewing daytime soaps for 30 years. And it’s great that, from my time going forward, the credits are shown (it used to be only so many days in a month at the end of a series’ episode) to keep us informed of all who are part of the productions. 

    Link to the video of the 12.16.2013 episode. The opening credits begin @ 02:59 into the eppy.

    @ http://www.cbs.com/shows/the_bold_and_the_beautiful/video/G0QcByAPp9RLFBEJgd_tupZuTLHwmFjc/the-bold-and-the-beautiful-12-16-2013/ 

      

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    ^^^ Well, that was funny! I guess someone over at B&B must’ve taken your complaint to heart, because lo and behold, the opening’s been updated!  If they did have new credits in the works for some time, I had a feeling they were gonna wait to unveil them until Thorsten Kaye’s big debut this week. Love that opening music, and I’m so glad to see they’ve still kept JMW in the credits… definitely a good sign!

    Good point made about the production credits that should be acknowledged more often by all our dramas. Y&R and GH do an excellent job citing them within the daily episodes, and it’s understandable that B&B can only do this when the end credits roll, as it’s only a half-hour long show. But I’ve always wondered why, of all our soaps, DAYS hasn’t followed suit. It would be nice to see some of their actors and production teams acknowledged in a stronger way.

     

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    EmmyLoser
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    My feelings on that are mixed.  It is nice to see cast and crew acknowledged upfront on the other three shows, although Y&R’s acknowledgement of its cast is a little iffy, as for a long time they were failing to update the credits and I feel like only about 10 actors who were on the show were actually able to be featured on the opening credits.  GH’s credits are particularly good.  But I also like sticking with a classic that works, as is the case with DAYS.  They’ve never had an opening theme with rotating cast members/characters as some of the shows did, and I don’t think they should start.  I see the opening every day, and it always reminds me of watching the show years and years ago with my grandmother on days when I didn’t have school or over the summers.  It’s nice to have that continuity. 

    It also always seemed to me like the cast names in the openings and the credits up front were initially an effort to make the soaps feel more like primetime television, which bugs me.  It’s evolved past that now, though it’s funny because at the same time, primetime soaps were overwhelmingly trending against an opening theme with cast members names, and many shows just flash the names across the screen during the opening scenes of the show.  Anyway, I’m happy to read the cast and crew members’ names during the closing credits.  The EP, director, and writing team are always named, and the cast list runs probably two or three times a week, and it’s a full cast list, so everyone is acknowledged equally.

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