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  • robbalto
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    The Bold and the Beautiful is having another strong week. Yesterday we had the intensity of the Brooke/Bill/Katie implosion. Tons of great material for Lang, Diamont, and Tom.

    Today, we had the fun of watching Quinn work her way to Monte Carlo. I am looking forward to her shenanigans.

    I enjoy watching Scott Clifton and Darin Brooks. The characters are actually alike in many ways, but with a few differences that distinguish them.

    The breakup scenes with Caroline and Ridge were beautifully written.

    I enjoy watching B&B because the show is focused on a smaller group of characters, most of whom I enjoy. The show is character-based, at least more so than the other soaps. The stories are relatively down to earth. B&B has transitioned nicely over the last few years with new characters, families, and stories.

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    EmmyLoser
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    Thanks for starting a new thread, robbalto. I was just about to do that. The two main comments I was going to make were about Liam and Caroline/Ridge.

    First, I loved the way the Caroline/Ridge breakup played. It was really nicely written and just so nice to see something that felt grounded and different from the melodrama that often surrounds breakups on soaps. The moment toward the end of yesterday’s episode with the flashbacks was really nice, too, and I have never even liked these two as a couple.

    What I was going to say about Liam is that I feel bad that I don’t like him more. The more the story plays out, the worse I feel for him with the situation with Steffy and Wyatt, especially since he and Wyatt can’t really stop challenging one another for Steffy’s attention in various ways and Liam just seems so sad about it. The writers have done a great job with the Wyatt/Liam/Steffy dynamic now. It’s true that Wyatt and Liam are similar in a lot of ways, and their butting heads feels very brotherly indeed. And I’m loving the scenes with Quinn, first the back and forth with Deacon about whether or not to go to Monte Carlo and then the stuff on the plane. It’s funny that Quinn seems the most harmless when she’s in a happy, stable situation, like she has been with seeing Eric and knowing that Wyatt has Steffy, but Steffy and Liam both are raging about what a dangerous lunatic she is while unwittingly pushing her out of that happy place and making her more dangerous. Like how she might have not even come to Monte Carlo had Liam not unintentionally talked Eric into breaking it off with her, and I’m sure Steffy constantly being so verbal about her own disapproval of Quinn having anything to do with anyone she knows didn’t help either.

    I totally agree with your assessment, robbalto, and the show is really enjoyable these days.

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    robbalto
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    I am loving B&B this week.

    The scenes yesterday with Quinn and the couple on the plane were great! So funny! Why do I have the feeling they are going to somehow figure in again?

    The Monte Carlo story is so enjoyable. I loved the scene with Eric and Liam. Great dialogue and I loved the way John McCook played the subtext of the scene.

    The playfulness between Steffy and Wyatt is fun, and I love that he is preoccupied with capturing every moment on social media.

    The phone conversation with Eric and Quinn was even fun.

    Loved the montage with Scott Clifton, and evidently that was him singing the song. Loved the way it ended with him seeing Quinn from a distance. It reminded me of an old movie.

    Wyatt had the line of the day: “Was Elvis with her?”

    Great ending today with Eric and Quinn meeting.

    Lastly, I love the beauty of the episodes, the scenery, the vivid color, the music, the beautiful direction.

    Liam and Wyatt are moving in different directions. Liam is more altruistic, while Wyatt is more focused on business. Liam is more concerned about the substance of relationships, while Wyatt is caught up in the public image. Interesting set-up for the future.

    EmmyLoser, I like your observation that “Steffy and Liam both are raging about what a dangerous lunatic she is while unwittingly pushing her out of that happy place and making her more dangerous.” Very insightful! I must say, I am enjoying the character of Quinn more and more as time passes. I live for the day that she becomes Mrs. Eric Forrester!

    I think that down the road this period of the show will be remembered positively as a critical turning point for future storytelling.

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    Thanks, robbalto.

    The Monte Carlo stuff is a lot of fun. It’s been nice seeing Steffy and Wyatt having fun with one another and with the social media stuff, which is a good reminder that they really do love each other and also that Wyatt only came up with the idea of basically monetize Steffy’s social media brand because she was so into it in the first place, both of which are a little hard to remember when Liam is around being sad and resentful and concerned about the greater good.

    It’s was a fun little reversal having Darrin Brooks’ real-life wife hitting on Liam while Wyatt is with the woman Liam thinks should be married to him. Have they mentioned if Liam is getting any professional help to deal with what he went through? I totally get that he was traumatized by it, but I’d say his response to seeing Quinn in Monte Carlo was an overreaction, even if it was her. (LOL at Wyatt asking if Elvis was with her!) It also seems really unhealthy for Liam to continue to wallow in the miserable thought that Quinn robbed him of the life he should be living, when at this point I think the only thing he’s lost, not to undervalue this, is the relationship with Steffy. He still has his home, job, family . . .

    I love Quinn and Eric together, and I would love to see Eric marry her (it would be such an Eric thing to do). It’s sort of a ridiculous leap that if(/when) Steffy finds out that Quinn and Eric have been secretly seeing one another, it will be trouble for Steffy and Wyatt’s marriage, because somehow Wyatt is on the hook for what Quinn is up to. But everyone in the story accepts that this is reasonable, so I can go with it.

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    Steffy chasing Quinn through the streets of Monte Carlo = !!!!! B&B has used this location shoot really well.

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    robbalto
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    Yes, Monte Carlo has been fabulous! I laughed out loud over the chase and the end of Monday’s episode. And when I say that I laughed, I mean it in a good way, the way that I want to laugh when I watch soaps. B&B has more or less filled the entertainment void left when Days went off track and lost its sense of fun.

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    Tuesday’s confrontation between Steffy and Quinn was such campy fun. This is why we watch soaps!

    I also enjoyed the scenes with Scott Clifton and Darin Brooks, as well as the concluding scene with Rena Sofer and Brooks.

    Steffy to her grandfather: “I forbid it. I absolutely forbid it.” Too much fun.

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    I did love seeing Steffy just go nuts over the Quinn/Eric affair and the forbidding Eric to see her was great. The various reactions to Quinn/Eric are fun to see as well, with Steffy insisting that this is all about her and Quinn wanting revenge because Steffy shut her out, and Ridge quite confidently saying this has nothing to do with Steffy and is just about using Eric for money and power. It’s hard to blame the Forresters for not giving Eric much credit, considering some of his romantic history, but I’m sure it’ll get annoying in addition to already being insulting and it won’t be long before he puts his foot down.

    With all of the hyperbole about Quinn being so dangerous and evil — Steffy and Liam have talked about Quinn in the last couple of episode with even more venom than the Bradys talk about Stefano on DAYS — I was trying to read through her character history and get a sense of what else she’s done. I know she’s been a schemer, and that she pushed Ivy off a bridge to stop Liam from marrying Hope (which, I know, was terrible but also funny because who even cares about Ivy). I was curious about her being blamed for Ridge falling out of a helicopter, and from what I read it was a really indirect situation where she was just an easy target because they already didn’t like her.

    I was mostly trying to gauge the degree to which Steffy’s behavior has been (quite enjoyably) over the top. First, she chased down a woman in the streets of Monte Carlo and ultimately threw her to the ground, and didn’t even know at that point who it was! Heaven forbid she had been a woman Eric own’s age. That could have caused seriously injury. Then she slapped Quinn pretty hard, followed by forbidding Eric from having anything to do with her (ostensibly because she’s targeting/using him). It has to be noted that Steffy and Quinn were getting along just fine before Wyatt found Liam, so it’s hard not to attribute all of Steffy’s animosity to fury over feeling duped into marrying Wyatt. And that’s really bad for poor Wyatt, because Steffy and Liam are acting like he’s actively helping Quinn ruin Steffy’s life, when he’s really been trying to follow Steffy’s orders and keep Quinn at bay. I think at this point I’ve come around to rooting for Steffy to be with Liam because it seems like she really wants to and sticking with Wyatt is making her so angry. It also kills me that Liam and Steffy take no responsibility for their own actions (Liam for both the state of his relationship with Steffy before he went missing and for deciding not to prosecute Quinn for her crimes, Steffy for not waiting more than a few months to marry the brother of the man she apparently wanted to spend the rest of her life with), but are happy to blame Wyatt for anything Quinn does behind his back.

    Sorry, I’m just sort of talking/thinking all that out. It’s been so fun to watch and really the only thing nagging at me a little is Liam and Steffy’s pretense of moral superiority.

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    Steffy: “Absolutely not!”

    I am so amused with the way Friday’s show concluded. Steffy’s expression was priceless.

    EmmyLoser: “The various reactions to Quinn/Eric are fun to see as well, with Steffy insisting that this is all about her…” So true. This is my favorite aspect of the story.

    I tend to think Steffy belongs with Wyatt. Liam loves her, but she doesn’t seem right for him. But I’m ok either way, just enjoying the twists and turns conceived by the writers.

    I keep thinking that Steffy’s attack on Quinn will mysteriously appear on video.

    Julius Avant is so awful. I’m glad Thomas told him off. Thomas is right in what he said to Sasha: Julian should be ashamed.

    Looking forward to the coming week.

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    The end of Friday’s episode had me literally jumping up and down with excitement. I just LOVED that moment with Quinn walking in as Eric announced he has rehired her. That whole scene was great, and Jacqueline MacInnes Wood did a really good job with her facial expression the whole time. You can see her at one point, after she kind of realizes what’s about to happen but still not ready to accept it, making a face as if she’s trying to stop Quinn’s involvement through sheer force of will. I also loved how she’s totally cool with Ivy being brought back in despite the not great relationship they have. Any alternative is better than Quinn! The whole “Where were you?/You left the building!” talk was also funny because Ridge, Steffy and Rick did absolutely no work in the time between those meetings, which is totally realistic.

    It’s funny that Steffy and Rick can’t see that the level of condescension with which they’re talking to Eric is of course going to push him to dig in his heels and get in deeper with Quinn. I think Ridge actually does realize this — and even went over to Quinn’s to try to push her in the same direction — and it just works to his advantage. The brief conversation with Quinn and Ridge was very good, with Quinn calling Ridge the golddigger and saying he basically wants Eric out of the way so he can enjoy what Eric has earned, which feels true, considering Ridge immediately blamed the Quinn relationship for Eric becoming CEO again and plotting to take it away from him. He was clearly never okay with Eric reclaiming the CEO position. Tying this in with Bill and Katie’s divorce is good, too.

    I’m really looking forward to this week: further reaction to Quinn’s return to Forrester, Liam’s and poor Wyatt’s reactions to her not leaving town, Steffy totally losing it over the whole thing, Ridge convincing Katie to act against what she’s already acknowledged as her own and her son’s best interest. Next year’s Daytime Emmys should feature a supercut of people on B&B saying, “Quinn!” with varying degrees of surprise, disbelief and fury.

    And I totally agree with you robbalto about Julius and Thomas interjecting there. I’d have thought Julius would have softened more, but he is really terrible to Sasha. I like the scenes with her and Thomas.

    robbalto: “I keep thinking that Steffy’s attack on Quinn will mysteriously appear on video.” If Ivy happened to be in Monte Carlo, it just might! Actually, though, it would be very plausible for someone to have recorded it: a well known social media starlet chases down a woman, throws her to the ground and then slaps her. People have been the target of online scrutiny for much less.

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    Rick: “Ridge and I never see eye to eye on anything. That should tell you something.”

    Steffy: “There’s nothing genuine or organic about you.”

    The pairing of Eric and Quinn was an inspired move on the part of the writers.

    Eric: “We’re great together.”

    They work as a couple on so many levels. John McCook and Rena Sofer have a nice chemistry. Also, the coupling ties up the canvas nicely and sets the stage for future conflict.

    B&B is the show that I find consistently entertaining and amusing. It has more or less taken over the role that Days of Our Lives played previously in my serial viewership, prior to DOOL’s change in writers a year ago. B&B is focused, witty, and character-driven.

    EmmyLoser: “A well known social media starlet chases down a woman, throws her to the ground and then slaps her.” That concise summary made me laugh, in the best way possible.

    I just listened to the DC podcast and Jamey Giddens complained about B&B. Although I think the show is in great shape, I did agree with one of his notes: the lack of story for Maya. It has been a while. We need to see more of Maya.

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    Yeah, I think pairing Eric and Quinn was so clever. They play well together, and the pairing feels believable. It was a great way to pivot out of the Eve/Adam situation and capitalize on what they’d built there without having to somehow pair Quinn with Liam. It feels really in character for Eric, too, and creates a ton of delicious drama. Eric throwing Ridge’s recent misdeeds in his face and then kicking him out of the house was great. (I guess the only Forrester who can set down any roots in that mansion is Zende.) It cracks me up, too, how Ridge, Rick and Steffy all keep saying having Quinn around will be bad for the family and the business even though they all pretty much acknowledged that Quinn is great at her job and hasn’t done anything to harm Forrester Creations.

    It would be nice for Maya to get a new storyline. I miss seeing her do anything significant.

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    I just love the mother/son scenes between Quinn and Wyatt (: They are my two favorite actors on the show, and I totally believe in their bond and history. I have been loving the whole Quinn/Eric storyline; it keeps Quinn at the forefront where she belongs! (I wonder what the ghost of Stephanie would think – and do – about it?) (;

    I wish they would bring back Lesli Kay’s Felicia though. I miss her.

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    There were a few really good things in Friday’s episode, a couple of points that I’m glad the characters have finally given some voice to. The Quinn/Wyatt scenes were really good, as were the follow-up scenes with Quinn and Steffy. I liked Wyatt actually acknowledging that Quinn is largely responsible for him being with Steffy, which of course is true but he couldn’t really talk about because he was genuinely appalled by what Quinn did to Liam to see Quinn’s actions as leading to his happiness with Steffy would almost obligate him to be thankful to Quinn for doing this terrible thing, which I’m sure he feels would be indecent. That was like his big play, telling Quinn that after everything she did to help him get Steffy, she shouldn’t ruin it now. But I think it must really hurt Quinn, too, that Wyatt seems to believe her feelings for Eric are genuine and that the relationship is real but is still asking her to give it up because Steffy can’t deal with it.

    Quinn reminding Steffy that she and Liam were broken up before she took Liam to her house was also good, as Steffy seemed to find it perfectly reasonable that Liam had taken up with Hope or Ivy when he was away. Quinn telling Steffy that it seems like she doesn’t even want to be married to Wyatt was also great. And I liked the moment in the conversation between Ridge and Steffy when Steffy said that she was happy with Wyatt and Ridge said that it doesn’t matter because it’s not what she wants. This seems to be the bottom line in this situation and why, to me, it’s kind of a tragedy that Wyatt thinks it’s worth discarding his mother’s happiness to appease Steffy for the time being. No matter how happy Steffy is with Wyatt or what reasons she’s giving for questioning her marriage, I don’t think she’ll ever really feel satisfied until she’s had the chance to play out what could have been with Liam.

    I’m looking forward to seeing how Quinn response to Steffy’s (frankly kind of gross) ultimatum. I’m loving the burgeoning rivalry between these two, and it feels like Steffy is much closer to being the villain at this point than Quinn is.

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    Steffy’s ultimatum certainly did not place her in a flattering light. I agree with EmmyLoser that she is now “closer to being the villain.” It certainly does not say much for her marriage. In any case, it was good soapy fun, and I loved every minute of it, especially the closing shot of Steffy on Friday.

    After seeing Monday’s episode: If I were Wyatt, I would be so done with Steffy.

    Great writing and performances all around.

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