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  • FreemanGriffin
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    Where I thought the Quinn/Ridge story was going was an old ATWT storyline, where Dr. John Dixon romanced and proposed to Lisa Grimaldi and it was all for revenge for her malpractice suit against him over Eduardo’s death (which was actually a murder committed by Orlena Grimaldi). I thought it was ingenuous to have Sheila be the one who tells Eric! Rena was great, as always, in today’s scenes.

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    LOLOL, great script, robbalto! I love the idea of my irritation with Katie as a character evolving into an on-screen rivalry.

    I’m behind a few days as usual, and I’m really not sure if I’m looking forward to the reveal or not. Kimberlin Brown has been doing a great job as Sheila, though, I agree.

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    EmmyLoser
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    Overall, I did like the way the Quinn/Ridge reveal played out. The truth had to come out, and it would have been silly for Eric to be anything less than devastated by it, even if it was just a few dumb kisses (dumb in the sense that they shouldn’t have happened, not to imply they were meaningless). Rena Sofer and John McCook were great, and actually even Thorsten Kaye was very good. The scene at the end of the week where Eric is gone and Quinn and Ridge are alone in the house really says a lot. Quinn is a wreck over possibly losing Eric, and Ridge looks more vulnerable than I’ve ever seen at the idea that he can’t do anything to help or protect Quinn. It’ll be interesting to see where the story goes from here, but I’m hoping Quinn and Eric fight their way back to each other and that, despite Ridge’s obvious feelings for Quinn, nothing more happens between the two of them.

    On another note, it’s kind of funny how many B&B relationships have been undone by illicit kissing over the last few years. Quinn and Eric, Ridge and Brooke, Bill and Katie, Rick and Caroline. Caroline having actual sex with Thomas was less damaging to her relationship with Ridge (or at least the damage took longer) than in any of these kissing cases.

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    robbalto
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    Freeman: “Where I thought the Quinn/Ridge story was going was an old ATWT storyline, where Dr. John Dixon romanced and proposed to Lisa Grimaldi and it was all for revenge for her malpractice suit against him over Eduardo’s death.” I had the same thought a while back. I’m glad they did not go that way. Actually, I find B&B somewhat unpredictable, which I enjoy.

    EmmyLoser: “On another note, it’s kind of funny how many B&B relationships have been undone by illicit kissing over the last few years.” Interesting point! I’m glad they that do not always have to resort to full-blown affairs.

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    Jake
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    I always thought that Sheila’s return could be the only thing that would make me return to this series and now she’s here. Can someone write anything about what she’s up to and whether it’s worth watching?

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    I’m a few days behind, but I can say a little bit. It looks like, and I’m just guessing based on how things have played out, the show was waiting to see what kind of response they got on Sheila’s return before really committing her to a long-term story plan, and honestly the show itself seems to be spinning a little in trying to find some new long-term story direction.

    Initially, Sheila showed up right after someone tried to shoot Quinn, and of course she was blamed for it, but quickly exonerated. Sheila then started looking into Quinn to make sure she was a worthy wife for Eric and not up to anything, and stumbled onto enough information about Quinn and Ridge’s various make-out sessions to expose them to Eric. Last I saw, Eric was holed up in a hotel, not wanting to see anyone in his family at all and only turning to Sheila for support. She was recently shot in the arm by Steffy, who got Liam to track Eric down and then fired thinking Sheila was reaching for a gun.

    My two cents on it is that Kimberlin Brown has been great and Sheila is always an interesting character to watch. She seems to be fairly reformed for now in that, while she still manifests that psychotic edge from time to time, her intentions seem mostly good and it doesn’t as yet seem like she’s planning anything. But the storyline as it currently stands is somewhat problematic. For one thing, while I totally get Eric not wanting to see Quinn or Ridge, or Brooke or Katie or anyone else who kept the secret, it seems ridiculous for him to just disappear and declare that he doesn’t want to see anyone in his family, including people like Pam and Steffy who would obviously be worried and not even know what’s going on. Another problem is that in the short time she’s been back on the show, Sheila has fallen into a pattern that’s already played out in at least three iterations, where she’s accused of something, punished for it in some way, and then is cleared and acts totally magnanimous about it all. First she was arrested for shooting Quinn, which she didn’t do, and was totally understanding about it when they freed her. Eric then read her the riot act when she told him that Quinn and Ridge were having an affair (not exactly true, but true enough), only to have them confirm it and him be grateful that someone told him the truth. Then she gets shot by Steffy because Steffy thought she was reaching for a gun, and she is super understanding about it. So if you see Sheila with Quinn, she’s generally being more classic Sheila — aggressive, threatening, a little unhinged — but otherwise she’s been professing her changed nature and accepting people’s apologies. I have no idea where the story is going, because her only interest seems to be getting/staying in Eric’s good graces, but I cannot believe that after everything she’s did she could have a chance at an actual relationship with Eric, even a sustained friendship.

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    Jake
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    Thanks. I would love for her to interact with Brooke or even Amber to return. Bringing back Erica (Sheila’s daughter from 2002) would have been interesting too.

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    Although I like the idea of Sheila’s return, the implementation has been implausible. Although Eric is understandably upset with Quinn, it seems unrealistic that he would completely shut her out over a kiss/flirtation in favor of known-psychopath Sheila. It is also unbelievable that he would leave his beautiful home for days to stay in a cramped hotel. This just does not feel like Eric to me.

    Another problematic thread is the “Caroline dying” fiasco. She professed to be outraged when Bill explained the plan, and then went along with it. Again, not buying it. Caroline would not do that. Presumably, this story will be brief, given that Linsey Godfrey’s stay has already ended, but nevertheless I do not care it.

    Since these two stories are front and center right now, I am not enjoying the show quite as much.

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    Perhaps they have brought Sheila back to make Quinn more sympathetic? I enjoy Kimberlin Brown but the problem is that it is making Eric into a total fool…

    Caroline’s lie is stupid and since she is only on for a short time it’s a waste of screen time.

    I can take it or leave it as far as watching this show is concerned right now. I love the establishing shots of L.A.

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    Oof, Caroline. This also has really not been a good turn for the character in that it’s now the second time in the last year she’s come back to town in order to torpedo Thomas’s relationship but otherwise seems perfectly content to live on the opposite coast from him. She did the same thing in the fall when she returned and squashed his burgeoning relationship with Sasha.

    The hardest thing about B&B is that they really only run three storylines at a time. If you don’t like two of them, and those are the two getting airtime, it makes the show tough to watch.

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    And unfortunately it was back to the story of Thomas and Caroline today. I suspect that this story will be over soon and I look forward to that eventuality.

    Does Brooke have any idea that Bill is actually an obnoxious jerk? He generally acts like a gentleman in their scenes together, but it seems to me she would be appalled by his business shenanigans.

    Freeman: “Perhaps they have brought Sheila back to make Quinn more sympathetic?” I think that is true, especially now that Eric and Quinn have found resolution.

    EmmyLoser: Eric’s “goodbye scenes with Ridge were way too similar to Katie’s goodbye to Brooke, which, in case it’s unclear, did not take at all, since the two seem as close as ever.” I took this comment from the soap woes thread because I think it’s an interesting point. The scenes with Eric and Ridge received accolades on Fairman on Soaps. Out of context, they play well; they were well-acted with a nice dramatic flow. But given the context of the story, the scenes seemed over-the-top; they would have been more logical to me if Ridge and Quinn had actually had an affair. The dramatic impact is lessened by the expectation that reconciliation will occur in short order and, you are right EmmyLoser, the scenes between Brooke and Katie are analogous. Katie really should have some lingering resentment toward Bill and Brooke. That is what happens in family conflict. People try to be nice and get along, but conflict simmers and resurfaces now and then. I would like to see them play that subtext rather than the all-or-nothing approach of “I’m done with you” quickly transitioning into “all is forgiven.”

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    I did think that much of the writing for the Eric/Ridge scenes was good, until the end, and even that would have been great if you don’t take recent history into account. There are good examples of reverting to habit/type (as when characters do it, like Eric’s repeated feeling of Ridge needing to compete with or take things from him) and bad examples (as when the writers do it, like these stark kiss-offs they write for characters who are likely to reconcile before the next major holiday). I know I can be hard on B&B at times, and was maybe a little harder on it than I should have been in the other thread. But B&B’s problems feel frustratingly fixable in many cases with just a little effort in the right areas. You’re right, robbalto, it would be much more interesting to watch these more grey area dynamics play out than the extremes we usually get here.

    The only character who comes to mind as being somewhat nuanced in this area is Steffy, who seems to have feelings of both competition/intense dislike and sympathy/camaraderie with both Quinn and Sally.

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    I enjoyed the scenes with Liam playing detective today. They were very well-written and Scott Clifton played them in a way that was very convincing and very typical of Liam. I like the twist of him getting involved with this storyline.

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    robbalto
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    Man, B&B is going full-throttle with the Sheila story. The scenes with Quinn and Sheila were interesting in that my reaction shifted repeatedly as their confrontation progressed. One minute, I was thinking, Sheila’s in trouble now; is Kimberlin Brown leaving already? The next minute, I was like, oh no, Quinn, don’t put yourself in a vulnerable position. And, of course, that is exactly what she did.

    Don Diamont seems to enjoy playing Bill. He does that role really well. It’s certainly more interesting than Brad Carlton. Kind of reminds me of JR from “Dallas.”

    It looks like the story with Caroline may be resolved soon. Although I do not like the story, I do like the complications of more people finding out, and I especially liked the polar responses from Liam and Steffy.

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    robbalto
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    Rome Flynn is leaving B&B. The article on DC gives the impression that he is leaving to make time for a role on “The Haves and Have Nots.”

    Daytime Confidential reported the news.
    http://www.daytimeconfidential.com/2017/08/17/rome-flynn-out-at-bold-and-beautiful

    I like Rome Flynn and wish him well. I imagine they will recast.

    The Sheila story seems to make less sense as time passes. Sheila tries to kill Quinn, so Eric invites her to move in? I get that Eric didn’t see the fight, but that is part of the problem. Quinn would be very vocal and explain herself clearly, but she is not really communicating. The writing just isn’t convincing.

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