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    EmmyLoser, Kate Winograd was an anesthesiologist. She was a character not given very much importance in the 1970s. She is a woman Bill Horton had an affair with, and shortly thereafter, Laura was written off the show after being committed. When Laura returned, we learned that she went into a catatonic state after seeing Bill and Kate have an affair, only this time Kate was a businesswoman and her last name was Roberts. These women are the same character. James Reilly wrote this storyline and the brilliance of the storyline depended on viewers not really remembering that Bill had an affair onscreen with Kate Winograd. In fact, it was probably an unusual decision for the writers of DOOL in the 1970s to have Bill Horton have an affair with such a peripheral character. Usually, if a major character from a core family is to have an affair, it would be with another main character. Kate Winograd is barely memorable in the scope of DOOL history, except that James Reilly went into the show’s history and found this character, and turned her into Kate Roberts. The character was played by Elaine Princi, who is much more remembered for her role as Linda Anderson, a prime character from the Bill Bell era of the show.

    Does anyone else find it peculiar that Vivian has not seen John yet, or that no one has seemed to mention to John that Vivian is in Salem. The continuity writers need to pay attention to these details. It seems only natural that John would be one of Vivian’s first meetings in Salem.

    And having Vivian work hand-in-hand with Andre, a character she never met before, seems strange. Even when Vivian was on simultaneously with Tony, they only interacted when Vivian planned that memorial gala for Kate when Tony tried to have John drowned in the water chamber. Vivian and Tony/Andre have next to no history together. This pairing is bizarre to say the least.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    ^fascinating! Thanks for sharing! (:

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    EmmyLoser
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    Ah, thank you for clarifying, NativeNYer. I do recall hearing/reading about Kate Winograd (not sure I knew her last name before), but I was never under the impression that she and Kate Roberts were meant to be the same character, but that Kate Roberts was possibly a nod to Kate Winograd.

    It is a little surprising that Vivian hasn’t seen John yet, but often when a character comes back to town and is up to no good, they’ll avoid their more righteous friends and family for a while in favor of making progress on their schemes before being subjected to a sanctimonious lecture. It would be disappointing if they didn’t interact while she’s in town.

    The team-up with Andre makes sense to me, given Vivian’s plans and her goals. They’re being played as partners of convenience and circumstance who have a lot of people in common, not best buddies who just happened to cook up a plot together. I was thinking that the only person in Salem she knows better than Andre who might help her infiltrate the DiMeras is Victor, but considering what she did to Maggie the last time she was in town, he likely wants nothing to do with her, and also probably would not be in a position to help her anyway.

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    FreemanGriffin
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    I missed yesterday’s episode due to a last minute inviation to a Symphony Hall concert; anybody willing to let me know what happened on the show yesterday? (:

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    Freeman, if you had to miss a day, this was a good one to miss. A few highlights….
    1. JJ overhears Lani discussing her pregnancy and assumes that he is the father. Lani tells JJ she’s not ready to become a mother. JJ is supportive but encourages her to go through with the pregnancy.
    2. Vivian visits Brady and Eve. She acts like an antagonistic nut bag. Later, Brady and Eve head upstairs, presumably to the bedroom.
    3. Abigail interviews Stefan to gather information for a biographical press release. Their tone of the discussion varies between cat and mouse and contentious.
    4. Kate walks in on Eli and Gabi smooching.
    5. In the final scene, Vivian reveals in a conversation with Stefan that she is playing Andre.
    Overall, it was a slow/inconsequential episode compared to what we are used to as of late.

    Loved the scenes with Will, Maggie, and Victor the other day. Also loved the confrontation between Sonny and Paul.

    Lani has much more chemistry with Eli than with JJ. On Christmas Eve, Eli confessed that he had feelings for Lani, which precipitated them spending the night together. He was such an insensitive jerk to her the other day the way he acted like they should just forget about it. Even if he did not want to pursue a relationship with Lani, he could have handled the discussion with greater finesse. It’s too bad, because I think Eli and Lani could have been good together. As for JJ, I think the writers need to bring on a new romantic interest for him.

    It will be interesting to see who is paired with Stefan. They are writing it like he is attracted to Abigail, but they have zippo chemistry. However, Gabi is another story. I can definitely see Gabi and Stefan getting together in the future. Really, there are not a lot of options in Stefan’s age group. Maybe they could bring back Carrie or Belle, although they are both taken.

    Given that the Bradys as a core family, they really need to bring back Shawn and Belle. As for the Hortons, they should bring back Mike Horton. At this point, I suppose they could bring back his grown son.

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    Thanks for the information!(:

    Stefan and Eve would be a super couple! There is an age difference, of course, but I love it when they bring together strong actors regardless of age.

    They do seem to be pushing a Stefan and Abigail pairing though.

    I am looking forward to any scenes we get between Maggie and Vivian, now that I know there is history there.

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    I continue to be a day behind, but the story with Brady and Eve is just so much fun. I was laughing so hard when Brady revealed that his plan is to marry Eve that I had to sit down. I really enjoy the two of them together, even though Brady is so juvenile at times that he just seems like a child. It’s funny also seeing Victor string Brady along with the hope that he’ll considering thinking about making him head of Titan again. Considering that Sonny responded to Will divorcing him by going to Europe to close some big deals in person, I think Brady’s changes of getting back in the CEO chair anytime soon are pretty slim.

    Lani’s pregnancy is interesting in that the show totally eschewed any mystery about who the father is immediately.

    I love having Anna back on screen, and I like that she seems pretty well together but is also still a touch loony, but it is very odd to me they’re revisiting the question of Stefano being alive. I thought the way they left things was kind of a perfect ending note, and that the way that story played out and particularly the way it ended was one of the best things the previous writing regime did. I’m not sure what there is to be gained from digging into it further, since everyone in the audience at this point knows that Joe Mascolo is gone.

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    robbalto, you write the best summaries! “2. Vivian visits Brady and Eve. She acts like an antagonistic nut bag.” Hahaha! This is hilarious and totally true.

    It’s interesting watching Vivian, but I think they’re doing a good job with her. She’s going around and basically just rattling the cages of people she dislikes. She came over to the Kiriakis mansion to mess with Victor and Maggie, but was fine messing with Brady and Eve instead. I love how well informed she is about everyone. She lobs insults at people as easily as she breathes. It was great seeing the tension between her and Brady. Brady is basically exactly where he was the last time he encountered Vivian (drinking more than he should, heartbroken over some woman or another), which made him threatening to put her in a sarcophagus again totally on point for me. I also like the heavy use of coffins and burying people/things in Vivian’s dialogue. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Vivian’s when she was last on the show, but with the plotting she been doing, her dialogue, and her characterization this time around, I think it’s going really well.

    Overall, though, I have found the last couple of episode a little lackluster in comparison to before. It’s tough when the high-stakes scenes in the episode are JJ trying to convince Lani he’s ready to parent what he thinks is their baby. I like both characters, but because Lani wasn’t going to reveal the truth, there wasn’t really anywhere for the conversations to go. I also found the conversation between Eli and Lani to be strangely contentious, hostile even. I guess I can understand that Lani was upset because of the pregnancy and because Eli was so resistant to hearing what she had to say about their Christmas Eve indiscretion, and Eli seemed pained at bringing up the memory at all. Watching the flashbacks over the last few issues, it does stand out how after the two of them had sex, Eli seemed happy and at peace, where Lani was regretful and upset, presumably because she loves JJ and has not much feeling for Eli, whereas Eli seemed happy to have moved from Gabi to Lani. Man, Gabi is going to be mad when she finds out another one of her boyfriends cheated on her with Lani.

    I’m enjoying the scenes with Stefan and Abigail. I’m not sure I can see them as a couple necessarily, but I like seeing Marci Miller play this side of Abigail that is much closer to the way the character was under Kate Mansi. I kind of love the idea of Stefan with Eve. The age difference isn’t that stark between them, either. Currently, I believe Tyler Christopher is 45, and Kassie DePaiva is 57. He’s closer to her in age than to Camila Banus. He falls right in the middle of the age group that seems to include Sami, Rafe, Lucas, Jennifer, Eric, Nicole, Brady, Austin and Carrie. The only woman in the group who’s actually on the show is Jennifer, and I can’t see that happening, so I guess he’s going to bend one way or the other. Maybe he’ll get involved with Billie when Lisa Rinna comes back. Kate’s daughter and Vivian’s son would have something of a star-crossed feel, and he might be the only love interest Billie’s ever had who wasn’t more interested in either Hope or her mother or daughter. Oh, I guess there was also her ridiculous dalliance with Steve when he had amnesia.

    Anyway, I do like the idea of Belle and Shawn being back on full time. I could see Belle really going for Stefan. Getting Mike back would be cool. It could be interesting to bring back Jeremy, last played by a very green, pre-90210 Trevor Donovan, paired with Shelley Hennig’s early days as Stephanie, when she herself was quite green. With Jeremy being a Horton, the natural thing for him to do would be to hook up with Gabi, but I think there’d be a lot of possibility in bringing back both him and Stephanie. It’s unfortunate that the show aged JJ as much as they did by having him on the police force. He’s young enough that he could have been folded into the younger crowd with Claire, Ciara, Theo and Tripp (who must be about his age), and bringing in another female for him would have a more dynamic effect. But I agree that he’d be better served having a new love interest who isn’t Lani or Gabi. They could always bring in Chloe’s sister Joy, who I am shocked has yet to show up at all since being a baby. Joy would reasonably be older that JJ, Joey, Claire or Ciara based on birth order, and I think the character would naturally be in her teens by now, so she could come in as a college-age character or a young twentysomething.

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    I enjoyed today’s episode – it was low-key, but I enjoyed it, esp. Theo and J.J., Lani and Kayla, Abe overhearing J.J. talking to Lani about their baby, and I am enjoying Tyler Christopher’s Stefan and it’s nice to see Louise Sorel (I remember her best from Santa Barbara). I do wish they would get back to Will’s story though, and Adrienne, and where is Bonnie? (:

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    I loved today’s episode. I am really enjoying this messy quadrangle with Eli, Gabi, JJ, and Lani. The writing and characterization has been very good.

    The scenes with Stefan and Abigail were quite interesting. Although I do not see them as a couple, they work well together in this story.

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    What do you get when you mix an ex-FBI agent who’s now a police detective, an ex-police detective who thinks he’s going to be a dad, a police detective with aspirations of being a sergeant carrying a baby and a harmful secret, and an ex-con-turned-lifestyle-mogul? This messy quadrangle! I agree that yesterday’s episode was really enjoyable. The great contrast of JJ’s elation over thinking he’s going to be a father against the scenes with Lani and Kayla worked really well.

    I also enjoyed the scenes with Abigail and Stefan O. and the goodbye scenes with Theo, who I’m really going to miss. I guess the big gun farewells will be today’s episode?

    I would also like the show to get to more Will and more Paul. I’m somewhat less interested in Adrienne now that she’s back with Justin, but it would be fun to see her interacting with some of the other people living at the Kiriakis mansion from time to time, and Sonny could probably use some motherly advice when he gets back to Salem.

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    ^great post, EmmyLoser! (:

    I just need to say how much I am enjoying Victoria Konefal’s Ciara! It’s rare for someone new to come on a soap and immediately ingratiate him or herself in a role and make you interested in what they will do with their character. She has been a terrific addition to the cast of Days!

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    Thanks, Freeman!

    I agree, Victoria Konefal has been an instant hit! I look forward to seeing where the storyline with Ciara, Claire and Tripp goes now that Theo is gone.

    Theo’s goodbye was really sad to watch. It seemed pretty clear that Kyler Pettis was very emotional about it, and while his performances as Theo are generally a lot more calibrated, toward the end of the episode this just felt like pure emotion. Until the new Ciara showed up, Theo was by far my favorite of this younger set of characters, so I’m going to miss him, but I’m glad the character is just off-screen in South Africa with off-screen Brandon and off-screen Celeste and not tragically dead or in a coma.

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    ^^^ And it’s shows like this where Theo says his goodbyes, that are exactly the type of episodes that DAYS executes so well, pacing them with so much heart and sensitivity to the subject matter at hand, that raises DAYS on a level above the rest. The music direction too was (as always) absolutely fantastic, featuring a mix of all my favorite compositions by the geniuses that are behind DAYS’s incredible music team. Particularly this episode is one that I hope everyone gets to view with the volume turned all the way up because it’s the only way one can really appreciate the full experience.

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    EmmyLoser: “Theo’s goodbye was really sad to watch. It seemed pretty clear that Kyler Pettis was very emotional about it.” The final scenes with Kyler Pettis were so sad! He just broke my heart. The scenes were played with such emotion by everyone.

    Freeman: “I just need to say how much I am enjoying Victoria Konefal’s Ciara!” Agreed. She is essentially the new Sami!

    Alokin: “The music direction too was (as always) absolutely fantastic.” I too have noticed that the music on Days is outstanding. I have a Bose speaker attached to my television and it sounds great.

    Nice to see Bryan Datillo back on the screen. He really did looks very refreshed. I hope he has some good story on the horizon.

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