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  • EmmyLoser
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    The opening of Horton Square was such a great time for the show. It has been pretty abysmal in the year or so leading up to that time period, then they brought in Marlene McPherson and Darrell Ray Thomas, and as well as making some needed cast changes that really turned things around. John and Marlena came back to town. Austin and Carrie were back on. It was a good year that led into the great Tomlin/Whitesell era that followed.

    I’ve liked Ciara and Tripp together since they first started having scenes together, but the scenes in yesterday’s episode really hit me. They have a dynamic that’s so fun and just really enjoyable to watch, and I see a potential for them to be a really great couple if the writing cooperates.

    I’ve been complaining about Will and Paul not being on since they didn’t show up at the wedding on Friday. They need more screen time.

    Given the recent conversations around Hope/Rafe and Gabi/Eli, I need someone to point out that “he’s a good guy” is NOT a compelling reason to be in a couple with someone. I am rooting for Gabi and Eli to stay together, even if it now feels doomed. Hope and Rafe, not so much. I mean, people have been telling Hope left and right to give Rafe another chance, but how would they feel? How long did Eli not talk to Valerie after learning the truth about his paternity? Would Jennifer forgive Eric if he broke up with her, slept with Nicole, and then lied about it for months, including considering with Abigail to make sure she did find out? Would anyone expect her to? The whole thing about Hope and Rafe being broken up at the time of the incident would feel a lot more relevant if Hope hadn’t been begging Rafe not to end things when he insisted they were over, took his ring back and walked out. I will be pretty annoyed if we get a long stretch with Hope off screen in Hong Kong while Rafe is around gathering sympathy from people.

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    Those two episodes this morning with the opening of Horton Square deserved a Directing Team Emmy (:

    O.K.,I am confused: Sami has four children, Will is the eldest nad he is Lucas’ son. Johnny and the other younger girl are E.J.’s children. But who was that older girl and who is her father?

    Who are Marlena’s children and who are their fathers?

    the same for Roman and John – I am often confused by who is related to who and in which way.

    Hope and Julie are half-sisters; they both have the same mother, Addie Horton.

    I am enjoying Gabigail, so long as Gabi isn’t convicted.

    The show is really good, esp. in comparison to the other shows right now!

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    Renewed!

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    EmmyLoser
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    Sami’s four kids are Will (who she had with Lucas, despite passing him off as Austin’s for two years), Johnny and Ally (who are fraternal twins with different fathers — Johnny is EJ’s but Ally is Lucas’s), and Sydney (who is EJ’s and who spent the first year or so of her life being raised by Nicole). Sydney came out of that great baby switch storyline, when Sami and Nicole were both pregnant by EJ at the same time. Nicole lost her baby but then continued to pretend to be pregnant, and got involved with the shady but fairly likable Dr. Baker (who went on to go to prison after falling in love with Hope’s violent and aggressive nighttime personality that emerged when she took sleeping pills, but that is another story entirely). Dr. Baker got Nicole another baby to pass off as her own, but Nicole wanted EJ to be able to raise his own child, so when luck happened and Sami’s daughter and this other baby were born pretty much at the same time in the same place, Nicole swapped them, stealing Sami’s baby and raising her with EJ. Sami was given baby Grace, whom she and Rafe pretended to have adopted after she returned from witness protection without anyone else knowing she’d been pregnant. Grace’s actual parents were Mia and Chad, but no one really found that out for quite a while, until after baby Grace died. That storyline could have netted Emmys for Alison Sweeney and Ari Zucker, but Sweeney submitted the wrong scenes (her work when Grace died was just incredible, but she went with a confrontation with Nicole after the baby switch was revealed) and somehow Julie Pinson won Zucker’s Emmy.

    Let me see if I can run down a comprehensive list of the Roman/Marlena/John children (in the approximate order of what their ages should be):
    Carrie (Roman and Anna)
    Sami and Eric (Roman and Marlena)
    Brady (John and Isabella Toscano, who ultimately turned out to be Victor’s daughter after being raised by Ernesto Toscano)
    Rex and Cassie (Roman and Kate – these two just showed up in a space pod one day and, after first believing they were the scientifically orchestrated children of Marlena and Tony, who was actually Andre it turns out but whatever, eventually turned out to be Kate and Roman’s biological children who were, I believe, gestated inside Marlena’s womb during a stint where Stefano had her captive)
    Belle (John and Marlena)
    Paul (John and Tori Narita)

    I think that’s everybody, though it’s also worth mentioning Marlena had a baby, TJ, with Don Craig who died of SIDS. So, even though Brady and Eric are constantly referred to as brothers, they aren’t biologically related. But considering that Brady lost his biological mother very shortly after he was born, Marlena is the closest thing he’s ever had to a mother. And John spent years believing he was Roman and raising Carrie, Sami and Eric often as a single father. So it in some ways feels like Brady, Sami, and Eric all have the same parents.

    The Stefan/Gabigail scenes are great, but I’m looking forward to seeing more of this third personality who turned up again at the end of yesterday’s episode. I had thought surely the person Stefan was planning to frame for Andre’s murder was Kate, but I guess why bother trying to hard to frame a new person when Gabi is already under arrest and all her friends already think Stefan is framing her? Of course Gabi panicked and did something foolish now. Given what Gabi has just learned about Lani and Eli, this confrontation with the two of them should be awesome.

    It was good to see Will with Gabi and Arianna, and also nice seeing his chat with JJ and basically the way he’s reestablishing relationships with people despite not remembering them.

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    According to the closed captioning during the third alter scenes, that particular alter is named “Dr. Laura” — just like her grandmother.

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    Yes, thank you! After Friday’s episode, I feel like I’ve learned quite a bit about Abigail and her personalities. Dr. Laura, who wants you to know she does NOT think she’s Abigail’s grandmother Laura Horton, was pretty informative. It’s very interesting that she said it was Abigail, and not the Gabi personality, who killed Andre and then couldn’t deal with it. I loved these scenes, and I cracked up when Dr. Laura said that the Abby/Gabi rhyme was irresistible. LOL. I also loved that Dr. Laura wanted to be wearing glasses, which feels like a multiple personalities/Ron C. classic move.

    I enjoyed the episode very much overall. The ending with Eve and Brady was great, but so were all the lead-up scenes: Sonny trying to warn Eve that Brady might be using her; Paul and Sonny’s conversation, especially interesting because when Sonny said to Paul that the divorce was nearly final and he and Will could move forward with their relationship, Paul didn’t deny that could be happening; Brady repeatedly saying he loves Eve, and seeming to mean it, even though he is also using her. I’m assuming that Victor called Eve and broke the news to her as Maggie had insisted, though I’d love it if she actually got wise to Brady’s scheme on her own somehow.

    I also loved how ecstatic Melinda Trask was about catching Gabi trying to dispose of the evidence. I really feel bad for Gabi, but her suffering is getting us some good drama. Man, what an inopportune time for the commissioner to be suddenly out of town. I guess in fairness she would have been out of town even if all had gone well with the wedding, because it would be honeymoon time, and while it annoys me that Hope of all people is being driven out of town by her grief over Rafe, I can also understand if she just wants to get away from all of her family and friends trying to browbeat her into forgiving a man who slept with another woman and then conspired to lie to her about it for months.

    I’m looking forward to seeing Eve tear into Brady and to Will hopefully showing up with Arianna and making a tense situation even more tense!

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    Overall, I really loved yesterday’s episode — Eve telling Brady off! Smoking hot action between Will and Paul! The sad and sweet scenes with Kayla and Steve — but it is odd that for the second time now in as many weeks, we had a wedding busted up because of a secret the groom was keeping having been exposed, and then people going out of their way to defend the secret-keeping groom. I love a busted up wedding, don’t get me wrong, and a secret being exposed. And I get that, despite all the trash I’ve talked about him over the last few months, Rafe is mostly a good guy who made a series of poor decisions but never intended to hurt anyone. This is not the case with Brady. He set out to hurt Eve quite specifically, and the reason he continued to deceive her was to get what he wanted. So it bugged me for a few reasons when Justin felt the need to march down to Doug’s Place and confront Victor about what happened. At first, I thought maybe Justin wanted to yell at Victor about offering Sonny’s CEO position to Brady, which would be perfectly logical, but no. He’s upset because Victor wouldn’t “let Brady be happy.” What??? Maybe Brady should have told Victor that he really loved and wanted to marry Eve, giving Victor some indication that blowing up his relationship would cause him serious unhappiness. Maybe Brady should have told Eve the truth before the had to hear it from “that old man.” (I liked Eve’s repeated use of that phrase.) Maybe Brady should have not concocted this plan to seduce and marry Eve in the first place, or listened to Victor when he questioned it. I don’t like the way this came across as Victor carelessly sacrificing Brady’s relationship to save his own, and like Brady was a hapless victim in all this.

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    Unfortunately there was a huge snowstorm here today and Days was pre-empted ): Unlike the CBS and ABC soaps, which have other channels where you can watch them (and I did watch Y&R and B&B) there is no other channel that carries NBC here, so I missed today’s episode. Looked like it was a heavy episode for Eric Martsolf’s Brady.

    I did however see the two Bravo episodes from 2011 this morning. Sarah Brown joined the show as Madison. It is so interesting seeing Chandler and Freddie at the beginning of their time on the show (they both joined the show in 2011). Those episodes are wonderful! (:

    I watched 6 The Doctors episodes from August 1975 and what I notice the most is how much more mature soaps were in the 1970’s. They didn’t do this awful protecting the actors rather than tell great stories back then. The only story I don’t like is the younger set’s story but fortunately there isn’t much screen time given to it. The two major stories are both back from the dead characters and how they are affecting practically all the other characters. It is magnificent soap! (:

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    You can watch DAYS on nbc.com or the NBC mobile app. They post the episodes same day, around 8PM EST.

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    Despite having to watch the commercials, I generally really like watching DAYS on the app. The definition is great — you can see every pore and wrinkle!

    The scenes with Brady/Eve in yesterday’s episode were very good, as well as the scenes with Brady/Victor/Maggie and Eve/Jennifer. In particular, I loved the scenes with Eve and Jennifer. Jennifer eventually became sympathetic toward Eve, but still with a clear edge toward her. The writing and acting carried the subtleties of the situation really nicely.

    The contrasting photo shoots for Claire and Ciara were also fun. I’m sure Ciara enjoyed having Tripp flirt with her while snapping cell phone pictures in the apartment much more than Claire liked getting politely dragged by Eric for the way she blew up the wedding. I feel a little guilty that I’m so amused by people’s general reaction to what Claire did. I certainly agreed that Hope should be told, which most people seem fairly on the fence about for some reason, but not at the wedding in front of all the guests. And it was great to see Adrienne back on finally!

    Freeman, can I ask what you mean by, “They didn’t do this awful protecting the actors rather than tell great stories back then?”

    I caught a few bits of the 2011 episodes last week, and it’s kind of astonishing how different some people look and how totally unchanged others are. Generally speaking, the men looked a lot more different than the women. People like Kate and Jennifer just seemed to have a different hairstyle, whereas others are starkly different. It’s also cool to see actors who aren’t with the show anymore, like James Scott, Renee Jones, Kate Mansi, and Casey Deidrick. Abigail and Chad are such different characters now.

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    Michael, what I meant by that is that they used to care more about stories, but now characters like Sonny on GH, Bill on B&B, and for many years Adam on AMC and Luke on GH would be protected by doing what they are doing with Bill on B&B right now: he is getting sympathy for having been shot and everybody is going to forgive him. Back then there was much less of that – villains would be on the show for a year or so and then would get their deserved comeuppance and leave the show. Sonny (on GH) is always protected, all of his crimes are forgiven and he is given the center of the universe position on his show (along with Jason). The heroes and heroines had rootable stories where we cared about them and weren’t forced to care for the villains by the writers and the producers. Daytime used to be female-oriented but has changed (for the worse) into male-oriented stories for the most part. I hope that answers your question!

    I am watching today’s Days as I write this and I haven’t been loving this episode. I am not sure why? It might just be the mood I am in today.

    I was amazed the other day to learn that Lauren Koslow just turned 65 years old! She sure doesn’t look her age!

    I enjoy waking up in the morning and getting my Days fix. I hadn’t remembered that Sami and Madison were friends. I love watching Chandler’s Will from almost the beginning of his first run!

    Chad is breaking into a desk… I will return to the show now. Abigail and her alters, shades of One Life To Live’s Vicki/Nicki and all of her other alters (can’t remember all of their names, it would have been such a hoot if one of them had been DORIAN)!

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    Yes, thank you Freeman, now I know exactly what you are saying, and I agree with you. I did prefer it when characters did something bad and then suffered the consequences in some way or another. They would leave the show, or be shunned by most of the other characters, or do something to be redeemed. The art of redeeming a character seems to have been largely lost nowadays. The Bill story on B&B is a great example, because getting shot and becoming sympathetic as a result of that doesn’t really do it. If Hope is going to forgive Rafe, as everyone seems to want her to, I’d like to see him earn it in some way other than a bunch of excuses and apologies. (And that’s all I’ll say about those two. I won’t start another rant today!)

    While I was a little skeptical when the story started, I like what’s happening with Abigail and her personalities. Stefan providing explanations for some of the things that are happening has been enjoyable, and I’m so eager to find out how everything went down the night of the murder.

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    I was pleasantly surprised to see Abigail reach out to a family member/medical professional so soon. That’s what a person in real life would do if they were losing time, had severe headaches and memory lapses but soap characters usually ignore it and go about their business as if nothing out of the ordinary was happening. Now that Kayla knows something is up with Abby, I’m guessing the truth about Andre’s murder and Abby’s altars will be coming out pretty soon.

    I for one can’t wait for Lani’s secrets to come out. Seeing JJ being such a caring and hopeful expectant father is just painful. And I love that Valerie can’t keep her mouth shut even if she tries. I hope she’s the one who tells so Vanessa Williams gets more juicy scenes to play. She’s doing great work in this story.

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    I know others have been critical but I am really enjoying Marci Miller’s performances! I think she has been wonderful. Of course she’s not up to the high standards of Erika Slezak and Bree Williamson but hardly anybody is. I knew they were going to have to create obstacles for Chad and Abigail – happy soap couples are almost always boring (exception: Bob & Kim on ATWT, but there are very few others).

    The devastation that J.J. will likely feel will be hard to watch ): I care so deeply for his character and he has been through so much. I am also having a hard time watching Gabi suffer ): I love her so much and I am rooting for her! But it has given Camila Banus great material and I have been so enjoying her performances!

    Why are they giving so little screen time to Paul, Will and Sonny? Contractual obligations? Or something else? They are hardly ever on (but when they are it’s so wonderful!)

    Julie has been really hard to take lately ):

    I am looking forward to Sami’s visit later this year! I hope it’s a long visit – maybe she will come back with Rafe’s baby in tow? LOL!

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    Sami coming back with Rafe’s baby would be pretty amazing!

    It struck me earlier today what a good job the writing team is doing at establishing the 30-and-under folks and making them characters you can really invest in. I’ve come to really love both JJ and Gabi, and feel really terrible for them with all they’re going through. I also really like Ciara and Tripp, and greatly enjoy the feud between Ciara and Claire. I haven’t cared this much about this many younger characters since the Last Blast era.

    Watching Valerie blurt out objections and protestations and then try to talk her way around them is so much fun. When this story is over, I want her to quickly get in on another secret so she can do the same thing to other people. I agree, Vanessa Williams has been great, and I’d love to see her get a big episode or two.

    Julie’s a lot, but the hate-on for Gabi absolutely realistic for her and also like the kind of thing that can ebb and flow over the years but never really go away. The best was how, after talking about Eduardo, Dario, and Gabi, the best she had on Rafe was, “Rafe CHEATED ON HOPE!” The delivery on that was great. I’m glad somebody still finds it offensive enough to be mad about it.

    I think Marci Miller’s been great in this storyline. She really shines as Dr. Laura, especially in contrast to Abigail. The Gabi alter is pretty campy, and it’s not like the character is meant to be Gabi in reality, and Miller’s done a good job of playing her as fun to watch and passionate.

    With Will, Paul, and Sonny, I have been pretty frustrated that they’re getting so little screentime, especially Will and Paul. Sonny shows up more in relation to Kiriakis stuff, so I haven’t missed him as much. Maybe they’re just on the backburner while some of the bigger stories and secrets come to climax, and now that Rafe’s secret and Brady’s secret have been exposed, and it looks like Lani’s is getting there fast, there will be something bigger cooking with them. Or maybe they’ve been writing a story for them all that also involves Greg Rikaart’s character, and they’re treading water until he shows up, which should hopefully be in the next few weeks.

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