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  • Boidiva02
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    Which character(s) from the current 4 soaps returning or exiting would serve to dramatically reboot their show for the positive? 

    Here are mine:

    GH:

    Exit:

    Obviously Sonny and/or Carly exiting would have dramatic ramifications for the show; and could give the show a chance to reboot into a totally new direction.   Ditching the mob suff would be a great thing. However, my gut tells me ABC would screw it up and just cancel the show.

    Return:

    I’ve always maintained that a proper return of Lily Rivera (Lily Melgar) would give this show a kick in the pants.  Imagine this: Sonny and Carly are finally remarried, happily and are at peace.    And then,  out of the blue, we learn that Lily was never dead, her baby didn’t die and she purposely faked her death to get away from Sonny because she knew he really loved Brenda.    She has been living in Puerto Rico all these years and raised her baby away from Sonny.

    Now, her child, all grown up is sick and needs bone marrow, but Lily isn’t a match; only Sonny is.   Lily and her kid needs to come out of hiding and face Sonny.   It would reset the show completely.    Sonny’s marriages to Carly wouldn’t be legal, and Sonny still totally in love with Lily is torn between her and Carly.   And then the big surprise, Lily is the newest mob boss trying to take Sonny down.      After getting the bone marrow needed, Lily reveals she will take Sonny down!

    Imagine that!

     

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    robbalto
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    Boidiva, I had to smile at your idea because your exit idea focused on Sonny, yet so did the return! They are all intriguing ideas!  But I would prefer more focus on the hospital (and not just as a stopover for criminals and their victims).

    For GH, the exits of nearly half the characters would be needed to truly reboot the show. They have built the show around Sonny, his family, and his friends. So of course Sonny’s exit would be the key to getting rid of the focus on crime and the glorification of the mob. As for returns, I do not call for any on GH (except Britt). I am ready to move forward. Way, way forward. 

    For Days, I would hope for the return of Carrie, if only for the gratification of gdfl and EmmyLoser. Aside from that, I would support the return of any Brady or Horton who can keep those families central to the canvas.

    For Y&R, I always thought it would be interesting to revisit the 1970s. In the early 80s, the show experienced an almost complete shift/overhaul. It would be interesting to see the descendants of the Brooks/Foster familes. 

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    GHFan
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    Sorry for the length of this!  It took on a life of its own once I started
    thinking about it, but I think it could be good story, so hopefully it’s worth
    the read. 


    GH:


    Exit:


    Although, it may not seem like the obvious choice to have a
    major impact, my choice is Kiki.  I’ve
    actually been thinking of ways that she could be written off for a while now,
    as I have never cared for the character even under Alderson.  The more I thought about it though, the more
    I realized that killing off this character could have a major impact on the show,
    if done right.  I haven’t fully fleshed
    this out, but I’ve thought up some wishful storytelling on this topic: 


                So, based
    on the place we are now in story, I think it would be the perfect time to kill
    Kiki off.  We have already had Dr. Monroe
    mention that she may be paralyzed, so I would have her wake up and be paralyzed
    from the neck down.  I would have Dr.
    Monroe and Lucas have a huge disagreement about treatment; have Dr. Monroe want
    to try this new and innovative experimental surgery, and have Lucas want to
    play it a little safer and less risky because this is his cousin after
    all.  They both pitch their surgical
    plans to Ava, who would have the final say. 
    She has one last touching scene with Kiki, and then I would then have
    Ava sign off on the experimental surgery, as she wants to try anything to help
    her daughter. 


                Lucas
    decides he still wants to be on the surgical team even though he doesn’t fully
    agree with the method.  Griffin takes lead
    on the surgery, with Lucas on the team, and they lose her on the operating
    table.  This would send Ava on a
    rampage.  She would hate Paul for his
    part in everything and for being there when this went down.  She would be probably most furious with
    Morgan because Kiki was ultimately there because of him.  She had been starting to warm to Sonny being
    around Avery recently, and she would use her hatred of Morgan to punish Sonny
    and keep Avery far away from him.  She
    also now wants to alienate herself from the mob because of the mob’s part in
    her daughter being shot.  She would also
    be out for revenge for Griffin, as it was his idea and he was the surgeon in
    charge at the time of her death.  She
    would be hell bent against all of these people, while in her moments alone, we
    see her blaming herself for choosing the wrong surgery and for all the ways she
    hurt Kiki while she was alive.  The idea
    here is to basically give Ava the layers that this character originally had,
    and to bring her back to her badass ways, while taking her away from the mob at
    the same time. 


                My final
    aspect to this story is that Ava enlists Alexis (who Julian has convinced) to
    represent her in suing both Dr. Monroe and the hospital for negligence/medical malpractice.  Maybe she wins a large settlement or they go
    to court.  The idea is that she would be
    on the path to being the layered, bitch-on-heels that we loved in the
    beginning, and would make her a formidable badass again without being in the
    mob.  It would also give us a great
    hospital umbrella story, which we haven’t had in a while.  It could tie Griffin to the canvas more by
    being in Ava’s crosshairs and bringing this bad publicity to the hospital after
    having only been there a short time.  It
    could also give Lucas some story and a point of view.  He could feel guilty for not fighting for his
    method harder, and also for being involved in the surgery that killed his
    cousin.  It could also cause a rift
    between him and Griffin, who were supposedly longtime friends, and it could
    become a great frenemy relationship! 


                This is
    all I’ve come up with so far, but the point is that I think this death could
    yield good story across a large chunk of the canvas and all the while, getting
    rid of a (IMO) useless character. 


    Return:


                As for
    returns, I’m of the same mind set as Robbalto. 
    I don’t think that we should have any returns or additions for a while.  Frankly, the show needs to have a lot of
    exits and needs to focus and streamline their stories before bringing on
    additional people.  I would love for
    Serena Baldwin to come on eventually and fall for Morgan, thus reigniting the
    Scotty/Sonny feud, but the canvas needs to be cleaned up a lot before adding to
    it. 


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    For Days, I would hope for the return of Carrie, if only for the gratification of gdfl and EmmyLoser. Aside from that, I would support the return of any Brady or Horton who can keep those families central to the canvas.

    Haha thank you robbalto!  Here are some of my thoughts:

    DOOL:
    Obviously I would love to see Carrie, in the form of Christie Clark, and there is no shortage of reasons.  Same goes for Billie.  I also wish the new writing team would be more open to having Kristen back.  There is so much potential for her with Stefano gone.  

    B&B:
    I’m calling for three exits: Liam, Bill, and Ridge.  There is nothing likeable about any of them, and the actors are not strong enough to pull off the material.  It’s time for a recast Ridge and/or a new leading man.  Also, I cannot fathom why Felicia is not among the leading female characters on this show.  She is part of the core family, would fill the gap left by Stephanie’s death, and Lesli Kay is one of the few actresses in her age group who is not on Daytime but capable of being a leading lady.

    GH:
    I always feel Brenda’s absence so I would love Vanessa Marcil to return.  Her presence is the only thing that can make Sonny palatable.  Beyond that, I also would be happy to see Robin Christopher back as Skye.  She would easily fit into any corporate storyline, but she has so much history that she could really fit anywhere.  But to make room for these returns, sorry but the Jeromes have got to go.  I’d rather keep Carly and lose Ava than the other way around.  

    Y&R
    This is a harder one for me.  There is some dead weight that could be cut for sure, but Y&R has always worked with a large cast.   
     

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    Boidiva02
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    [quote=”robbalto”]

    For Days, I would hope for the return of Carrie, if only for the gratification of gdfl and EmmyLoser. Aside from that, I would support the return of any Brady or Horton who can keep those families central to the canvas.

    GH:
    I always feel Brenda’s absence so I would love Vanessa Marcil to return.  Her presence is the only thing that can make Sonny palatable.  Beyond that, I also would be happy to see Robin Christopher back as Skye.  She would easily fit into any corporate storyline, but she has so much history that she could really fit anywhere.  But to make room for these returns, sorry but the Jeromes have got to go.  I’d rather keep Carly and lose Ava than the other way around.  

       
     
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    I kind of feel like Brenda at this point is a problem area for the show.  I usually end up feeling like her short visits are nothing more than rehashes of the same story from 20 years ago.   Unless they can find a way to give Brenda a new and interesting story I’m not interested in her return.     

    On another note, I think GH is desperately in need of a new core family to build story around.    The Quartermaines are essentially extinct; The Spencers and Cassadines basically continue to play the same storylines over and over again; and the exit of Robin and Patrick leaves a big void on the show.  They need a family that isn’t involved with the mob and is directly connected to the hospital.   A family that can be the heart of the show.      It would be nice if this family had some connection to a past GH character, but that isn’t totally needed.     My first thought was they could bring on the character of Tom Hardy Jr to the canvas; perhaps as the new head of emergency medicine at GH.  He can bring with him a wife and a couple teenage or 20-something kids.      I think this is needed to bring some new energy to the show.

    Frankly, if I were writing GH, I would scrap basically everything and start fresh. I would refocus on the hospital; putting the attention back to the medical storylines and the romantic lives of the doctors and nurses.     I would keep Sonny and Carly as recurring characters, but their big storylines would be limited to sweeps stunts two or three times a  year.    I would basically scrap all the other characters.     Unfortunately this would also mean the exits of some big talents like Finola Hughes and Genie Francis who wouldn’t really fit on the show anymore. 

     

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    EmmyLoser
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    Thank you, robbalto and gdfl for not making me be the first to mention Carrie and Christie Clark.  I feel like I’ve been hitting the one kind of hard lately, but really, come on.  This is an easy one, and the show is just ignoring it.  

    Actually, gdfl, I agree with almost all of what you suggested.  For DAYS, I’d love to get Billie back, in addition to Carrie.  While a lot is currently not working on DAYS from a writing standpoint, the only characters I’d really want to get rid of now are the ones who haven’t really been on long enough to get a real story, like Summer and Dario, and the two we’ve been complaining about for months, Andre and Steve.  And I’ve been saying that the show should have taken this opportunity to change the face of the DiMeras with someone else coming in for that.  Kristen would be a fantastic choice, and it’s a crying shame the show doesn’t really seem interested in having her around.  I’d also love to see Peter back, and it would be cool to see Kristen and Peter together claim to be trying to either rehab the DiMera name or re-establish themselves as Blakes.  It would be cool to see Peter and Jennifer interact again.

    On B&B, Ridge is really the one character who doesn’t work for me.  I don’t love Bill or Liam either, but I’m fine with the way they work within the structure of how B&B works as a show.  I was thinking, though, of how much better all the arguing about Stephanie’s portrait versus Maya’s portrait would have been if it were Lesli Kay’s Felicia fighting with Rick rather than Ridge.  Felicia would also be nice to provide Brooke with a storyline rival that feels appropriate and isn’t a blood relative.  Also, I don’t know if she’s planning to come back, but I never really need to see Ivy again.

    Yes, Y&R does have quite a lot of characters, as there are plenty who get little to no screen time on a regular basis.  I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing them oust Victor Newman, at least for a period of time, which would push the show to refocus on someone else as a central chaos-bringer, or to distribute it more amongst other characters.  There’s been so much talk lately about people being sick of “the Newmans” (I mean characters on the show) as a family unit, even if people don’t really have much against almost any of them as individuals, so it could be interesting to see them decentralized for a time, scattered by Victor’s absence in a way.  Victoria and Adam fight over control of Newman Enterprises; Nikki grapples with feeling the need to be more of a protector with Victor gone; Jill emerges as the cutthroat HBIC not to be messed with.  There are lots of characters I wouldn’t really miss, but most of them aren’t getting much airtime anyway, so getting rid of them wouldn’t have a huge effect.

    GHFan, I love your Kiki idea.  Ava continues to be a character I could take or leave, but if you have Maura West and a way to use her effectively, it seems silly not to.  I would also be great to see Carly get a similar shot to the arm to build that character back up.  It’s funny how so much of GH seems expendable.  Almost nothing on the show now seems essential to maintain, or frankly even that desirable.  I’d be glad to see Vanessa Marcil back, though I think the criticism about the way her returns are written is correct.  But that’s something the writers can do better, and maybe would do better under this regime.  I almost want to suggest the show to something really radical, like take a classic disaster scenario, scale is way up, and use it as a platform for rebuilding.  Like, if Sonny and company’s mob shenanigans somehow resulted in the hospital basically just being blown up.  Some of the characters could still be in there and be badly hurt or killed.  Everyone would know who was responsible, so those characters would basically be run out of town.  Half the police force would be transferred or fired for failing to prevent this mass tragedy.  Then they’d have to bring in a whole new crew of people who are working on the rebuilding and reopening of the hospital and also people who are trying to provide medical care at an alternate facility in the meantime, like maybe the AJ Quartermaine clinic Michael was opening.  I’m mostly just thinking out loud here. 

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    Boidiva02
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    Thank you, robbalto and gdfl for not making me be the first to mention Carrie and Christie Clark.  I feel like I’ve been hitting the one kind of hard lately, but really, come on.  This is an easy one, and the show is just ignoring it.  

    Actually, gdfl, I agree with almost all of what you suggested.  For DAYS, I’d love to get Billie back, in addition to Carrie.  While a lot is currently not working on DAYS from a writing standpoint, the only characters I’d really want to get rid of now are the ones who haven’t really been on long enough to get a real story, like Summer and Dario, and the two we’ve been complaining about for months, Andre and Steve.  And I’ve been saying that the show should have taken this opportunity to change the face of the DiMeras with someone else coming in for that.  Kristen would be a fantastic choice, and it’s a crying shame the show doesn’t really seem interested in having her around.  I’d also love to see Peter back, and it would be cool to see Kristen and Peter together claim to be trying to either rehab the DiMera name or re-establish themselves as Blakes.  It would be cool to see Peter and Jennifer interact again.

    On B&B, Ridge is really the one character who doesn’t work for me.  I don’t love Bill or Liam either, but I’m fine with the way they work within the structure of how B&B works as a show.  I was thinking, though, of how much better all the arguing about Stephanie’s portrait versus Maya’s portrait would have been if it were Lesli Kay’s Felicia fighting with Rick rather than Ridge.  Felicia would also be nice to provide Brooke with a storyline rival that feels appropriate and isn’t a blood relative.  Also, I don’t know if she’s planning to come back, but I never really need to see Ivy again.

    Yes, Y&R does have quite a lot of characters, as there are plenty who get little to no screen time on a regular basis.  I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing them oust Victor Newman, at least for a period of time, which would push the show to refocus on someone else as a central chaos-bringer, or to distribute it more amongst other characters.  There’s been so much talk lately about people being sick of “the Newmans” (I mean characters on the show) as a family unit, even if people don’t really have much against almost any of them as individuals, so it could be interesting to see them decentralized for a time, scattered by Victor’s absence in a way.  Victoria and Adam fight over control of Newman Enterprises; Nikki grapples with feeling the need to be more of a protector with Victor gone; Jill emerges as the cutthroat HBIC not to be messed with.  There are lots of characters I wouldn’t really miss, but most of them aren’t getting much airtime anyway, so getting rid of them wouldn’t have a huge effect.

    GHFan, I love your Kiki idea.  Ava continues to be a character I could take or leave, but if you have Maura West and a way to use her effectively, it seems silly not to.  I would also be great to see Carly get a similar shot to the arm to build that character back up.  It’s funny how so much of GH seems expendable.  Almost nothing on the show now seems essential to maintain, or frankly even that desirable.  I’d be glad to see Vanessa Marcil back, though I think the criticism about the way her returns are written is correct.  But that’s something the writers can do better, and maybe would do better under this regime.  I almost want to suggest the show to something really radical, like take a classic disaster scenario, scale is way up, and use it as a platform for rebuilding.  Like, if Sonny and company’s mob shenanigans somehow resulted in the hospital basically just being blown up.  Some of the characters could still be in there and be badly hurt or killed.  Everyone would know who was responsible, so those characters would basically be run out of town.  Half the police force would be transferred or fired for failing to prevent this mass tragedy.  Then they’d have to bring in a whole new crew of people who are working on the rebuilding and reopening of the hospital and also people who are trying to provide medical care at an alternate facility in the meantime, like maybe the AJ Quartermaine clinic Michael was opening.  I’m mostly just thinking out loud here. 

    I LOVE your GH ideas! especially about how to rebuild the show using a classic disaster stunt they used to be famous for.   It could be used to reset everything.   Perhaps seeing her children die in this disaster that was caused by Sonny and his mob enemies finally sets Carly straight and she totally turns against Sonny, testifying against him and sending him to prison.    Or for more drama she could have a complete mental collapse and go psychotic vowing to get revenge on anybody she blames for her kids deaths. 

    Imagine the impact that could have! 

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    Thanks, Boidiva!  The drama of Carly breaking ranks and testifying against Sonny could be very thrilling.

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    robbalto
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    Boidiva says, “GH is desperately in need of a new core family to build story around. The Quartermaines are essentially extinct… they need a family that isn’t involved with the mob and is directly connected to the hospital. A family that can be the heart of the show. It would be nice if this family had some connection to a past GH character… My first thought was they could bring on the character of Tom Hardy Jr to the canvas; perhaps as the new head of emergency medicine at GH. He can bring with him a wife and a couple teenage… kids. I think this is needed to bring some new energy to the show. Frankly, if I were writing GH, I would scrap basically everything and start fresh. I would refocus on the hospital; putting the attention back to the medical storylines and the romantic lives of the doctors and nurses… I would basically scrap all the other characters. Unfortunately this would also mean the exits of some big talents like Finola Hughes and Genie Francis who wouldn’t really fit on the show anymore.”

    I agree with almost all of this post, boidiva! I have been advocating (for years) for a renewed focus on the hospital, spearheaded by the return of Tom Hardy Jr. and his family. My caveats are as follows: despite one missed opportunity after another over the last two decades, the Quartermaine family is still viable. If nothing, they could create a new Quartermaine cousin who joins the GH staff as a doctor; additionally, I am in favor of a massive reboot/overhaul, but I would do it gradually. Bring on one new story/family at a time, and only once they are successful make additional changes. They could keep stalwarts like Genie Francis and Finola Hughes by having them work at GH in non-medical jobs or linking them romantically with GH staffers.

    For some reason that I cannot fathom, GH refuses to make any substantial changes. They continue to focus primarily on the mob and the Corinthos family. They bring on characters who are not connected to core families. Prior to this post, I had given up on suggestions because TPTB refuse to move forward. It’s like the soap opera equivalent to Groundhog Day.

     

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