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April 22, 2013 at 10:10 am #424235
This seems like one of the great mysteries of the Daytime Emmys. For some people, getting nominated is like falling off a log, whether they have the material or not (some of the reels that have gotten in during the pre-nomination era boggle the mind), but Lang hasn’t been able to get in once in a quarter century. It’s not that she’s a bad actress. She’s certainly given her share of excellent performances. Has she been doing something wrong, or is it just inexplicable bad luck?April 22, 2013 at 11:21 am #424238
This is one of those weird things. I call her the Susan Lucci of non-nominations. I used to wonder if it was the role, but that feels like a cop out, b/c there have been plenty vixen portrayals that have been nominated and won throughout the years. B&B only became an Emmy titan in the 00s. Before then its big nods were for its supporting players (w/Ian Buchanan winning in 97). Not even the legendary Susan Flannery could score a nomination until 2000 when she won for the first time since the 70s for DAYS.
Like gdfl mention, some of this has to go on KKL. I remember being really upset when she didn’t get in 09 for the Storm Suicide story and Susan manage to get another nomination. It was after the fact that it was revealed that she didn’t even submit that episode and what Susan submitted was actually good. I don’t even take 08 into consideration when she had the rape story since that year was shameful in how the nominations turned out (block voting at its ugliest).
This switch to supporting after years of going lead will be the true test. She and Julie Berman have the best tapes in that category, so it’ll be telling if she is snubbed once again.April 22, 2013 at 11:33 am #424239
What about that supporting placement this year? Was that strictly a strategic move, or did her material in 2012 justify her drop-down?April 22, 2013 at 12:04 pm #424240
Both. As anyone who watched last year knows that the leads were Scott Clifton, Kim Matula, and Jacqueline MacInnes Wood, resulting in ratings gold! It is rumored that was the reason Susan Flannery and Ronn Moss left.
Brooke was a supporting character in that story, Katie’s postpartum, and Stephanie’s death, so the move is justified.April 23, 2013 at 7:29 am #424242
Yeah, I think MTS and KKL have a different set of problems, although there is some overlap I think. There was definitely a year or two when I thought KKL would get nominated and then later found out she submitted poorly. But that’s clearly not her only problem. I do agree that the character of Brooke can be tough to really get in a couple of episodes. I also think, though, and this does also apply to MTS, that there could be a discrimination against her because her voice can make her sound a little bit like an airhead. It lacks a certain command, which I am not citing as a flaw in her acting, just a natural trait. Think of the way that KKL and MTS sound compared to the gravity and depth in voices like Susan Flannery, Crystal Chappell, and Michelle Stafford. I’m just guessing here, but I do think its a factor.
MTS also seems to have the problem of either being not well liked or not well respected (or both) by her castmates. Of course, there’ll always be some people who will argue that MTS and/or KKL just didn’t deserve nominations, but I don’t agree with that.April 23, 2013 at 4:35 pm #424244
Ok, the answer to this question is that neither woman is very well liked by her fellow cast members. MTS’s husband was a big wig on the show in the 90’s and the rest of the cast didn’t like her because of “special treatment” they felt MTS got. It is rumored that actress Michelle Stafford doesn’t like her at all and as we all know, if Michelle Stafford doesn’t like someone (i.e. Victoria Rowell) then they get the sh*t end of the stick. KKL it is rumored that she isn’t liked by her cast mates because of her “I’m better than you” attitude. There was also a twitter incident that happened recently between Hunter Tylo and KKL which kind of reinforced the idea that KKL has always been on the outs with the cast.
So, with this understanding of these two women, it is almost near impossible to pull off a nomination (let alone a win) if you do not have the support of your cast voting for you.April 24, 2013 at 7:47 am #424245
I didn’t realize KKL was not well liked by the rest of the B&B cast. I think I’d heard about her and Hunter Tylo not getting along, but I thought it was just the two of them.April 24, 2013 at 7:55 am #424246
I just realized this, but it’s also worth noting that, even as beloved as she is around here, KKL doesn’t have a stellar record at the Goldies either. Unless I missed something, she only had one nomination, in lead actress, before this year’s supporting nod.April 24, 2013 at 1:35 pm #424247
To be fair it’s double-hard for her to get nomination because, after all, it’s easy to reduce Brooke to a joke – the woman has slept through all Forresters (besides her sons, of course) plus son-in-law and recently brother-in-law and was always sure it’s destiny. It’s really hard to connect with her and we don’t know whether she’s that needy or just dumb. If it works, it’s only because Katherine invests everything in those storylines.
Pairing with Ronn Moss didn’t help much and after all she is more subtle actress than Susan Flannery or Heather Tom who work the best in juicy fireworks kind of stories. You mentioned Susan’s first win in 2000 – check this classic scene out. It fits the style of acting for both Katherine Kelly – passive, teary, scared – and Susan – dominative, bigger than life, scary.
I’m actually equally disappointed for no appretiation for Hunter Tylo. Among non-original cast members, she’s by far the most important one and she had some great scenes. I’d say Taylor’s downhill between 2006 and 2008 offered some amazing examples. It’s shocking to see both women not getting along as, after all those years, I thought their relationship was the opposite of Brooke and Taylor’s and they can laugh it off between takes.
And I doubt KKL is outs with the cast. I’m pretty sure she is/was close with Susan Flannery, John McCook, Ronn Moss, Winsor Harmon and Lesli Kay, at least. Maybe she gets much, much more money and that’s the reason (if any of this is true).April 24, 2013 at 3:14 pm #424248
Katherine Kelly Lang wasn’t hired back in the 1980s for her acting ability. She was cast as Brooke because of her looks. Over time she has become a reliably good actress. But I think the perception that she’s just a good looking model who fell into acting has stuck with her and that’s unfair.
Flannery has also significantly overshadowed KKL. And I don’t think Brooke being such an unrepetant hussy has helped her cause. Ron Moss, her usual screen partner, hasn’t helped either mostly because he’s just a lot of dead weight.
But you also need to understand that B&B, especially in the 1990s, struggled mightly to recieve acting nominations. Ian Buchanan and Darlene Conley were the only cast members to recieve nominations during those years. They were almost always completely shut out. Flannery didn’t recieve her first nomination until 2000! (And quite frankly KKL did nothing worthy of a nomination during the 1980s or even the 1990s. Kimberlin Brown was the one who was unfairly snubbed and repeatedly so).
While most people complain about KKL never recieving a nomination despite her two plus decades on Daytime television, Bobbie Eakes and Hunter Tylo also never recieved nominations for their work on B&B despite often turning in stellar performances. Both Eakes and Tylo are also beautiful women and neither of whom are trained actresses.
So I think the fact that KKL has never been nominated is complicated with a number of factors explaining why she has never been nominated by her peers.April 24, 2013 at 3:17 pm #424249
Personally, Melody Thomas Scott’s lack of nominations is far more egregious than KKL never being nominated. MTS is a far superior actress who has also had a number of excellent stories to play, while Lang has mostly been relegated to dumb “who’s the daddy” and stuff with Ron Moss.
I think a lot of this has to do with MTS being a sort of ice queen who isn’t particularly popular with the rest of the Y&R cast.April 24, 2013 at 4:43 pm #424250
I’ve always felt that is has to do with the fact that as great as she is an actress, she tended to get overshadowed by Susan Flannery in most of her scenes. Stephanie was such a powerful force that Brooke often looked lost in her scenes, like she was being beaten down.
In a way, Stephanie came across as the domineering force in most of her scenes and to me, that left Lang’s performances looking a bit weak, imho.April 24, 2013 at 7:53 pm #424251
Susan Flannery got alot of nominations in the 2000s that were not deserved. Stephanie spent more than a decade being a loud bully. That is not great acting. She and Tom Pelphrey chewed alot of scenery.April 25, 2013 at 7:19 am #424252
GloFish makes a good point. Despite some complaints, I don’t remember being all that rocketed over KKL’s acting until around the time of Storm’s suicide, which is not to say she did nothing, but as a person who did watch the show from time to time, I wasn’t ever wondering how she doesn’t have an Emmy. And there are bigger crimes in the B&B acting snubs department, most notably Kimberlin Brown.April 25, 2013 at 6:22 pm #424254
Fair to midlin’ actress who was saddled with tepid writing for much of her career. Her best moments Brooke’s rape and Storm’s suicide were laughable, yes I realize Storm’s suicide won Emmys, and when she had a good acting partner (Flannery) she was gobbled up like chum.
For me Robin Mattson being Emmy-less is a much bigger travesty.