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December 11, 2017 at 4:42 pm #1202437178
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Again I am sorry and I am the worst human being ever. Clearly you guys are right and I am wrong. I will just shut up forever and never say anything about anything ever again because that is how people want it.
Thank you very much.
Now go back to your cave, homo erectus.December 11, 2017 at 4:58 pm #1202437200
About this sad comment, “I disapprove of the act of homosexuality.” I completely disagree and am horrified and confused to hear you say that. Gay, Bi, whatever, people can do whatever they want as long as they aren’t technically minors (legal or not). For me, my ONLY real big issue with CMBYN is the age gap between the 2 romantic leads with their sexual orientation having literally nothing to do with that. That was my only major issue with The Diary of a Teenage Girl, which had a heterosexual couple, between a 15-year-old (*barf*) and her mother’s loser boyfriend. I really thought we were on the same page with that one, but apparently not, and I am deeply disappointed to find out that isn’t the case. 🙁
I for one accept your apology, although I can’t help but be disappointed to find this out about you.December 11, 2017 at 4:58 pm #1202437201
Stop spamming this forum with your fake apologies and vile homophobia. We have our hands full dealing with judgmental attitudes and hatred in our everyday lives, there’s no need to bring that shit here. This needs to be a space where no-one has to feel judged or hated because of who they are. Thanks and have fun growing up.December 11, 2017 at 5:02 pm #1202437205
“Maybe brainwashed is not the right word, but I am saying that if they had enough mental energy than they can be attracted to anything and I could be to.” SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT A CHOICE AT ALL. If it was, why wouldn’t everyone simply choose heterosexuality, since for centuries and even in much of the word today, that is the only one that won’t make them a pariah?! Think about it logically dammit. 🙁December 11, 2017 at 5:35 pm #1202437229
And how do you know whether my apology is fake or not? Are you me? Did you live my life?
You didn’t actually apologize for anything. You played the victim card by blaming others for “taking matters out of hand” and “out of context” (which didn’t even happen by the way – people quoted your words verbatim, at least have the decency to own the insults you typed) and then slapped us with lengthy quotes from the Bible explaining why you don’t approve of homosexuality – in other words, keeping up the exact same hateful rhetoric you were called out for in the original thread.
That’s a lot of things, all of them uncalled for and hurtful, but an apology it’s not.December 11, 2017 at 5:37 pm #1202437233
“The fact is that millions of heterosexuals who wish to conform to the Bible’s standards employ self-control despite any temptations they might face. Their number includes many who are single with little prospect of marriage and many who are married to a disabled partner who is unable to function sexually. They are able to live happily without fulfilling sexual urges. Those with homosexual inclinations can do the same if they truly want to please God.” You just couldn’t shut up, could you?! Those people are living their lives miserably and can become suicidal due to their not being able to love as they are able to! This is just way too much ignorance and lunacy for me. The age gap in CMBYN still makes me uncomfortable, but this… this IS homophobia I am seeing from you, plain and simple. Maybe try dropping shit sooner in the future, and not playing the victim card. Disgusting! You know what, this has to be the end of our friendship. I cannot tolerate someone who is this naive, this brainwashed, this… insane. I would have defended you before this. Now I really want to love CMBYN when I see it just so I’m not on your team. I already can’t help but appreciate how the film is bringing the normalization of homosexuality into our general conversation. You’re holding progress back, you’re holding love back, you and your toxic misinformed beliefs are holding humanity back. Please shut up and go away, until you are ready to live in the real world and not some weird Christian homophobic bubble. 🙁December 11, 2017 at 5:38 pm #1202437234
And how do you know whether my apology is fake or not? Are you me? Did you live my life?
You didn’t actually apologize for anything. You played the victim card by blaming others for “taking matters out of hand” and “out of context” (which didn’t even happen by the way – people quoted your words verbatim, at least have the decency own the insults you typed) and then slapped us with lengthy quotes from Bible explaining why you don’t approve of homosexuality – in others words, keeping up the exact same hateful and hurtful rhetoric you were called out for in the original thread. That’s a lot of things, all of them uncalled for and hurtful, but an apology it’s not.
I second every word of this, I also take back my like on Tyler’s comment, just to be clear.December 11, 2017 at 5:55 pm #1202437241
Why did I say “I’m sorry if what I said was hurtful” if it was not an apology?
That sentence is the very definition of a non-apology. You haven’t actually shown any resentment or willingness to rethink your views; instead, you went on a defence mode and kept on explaining in an even greater detail why you don’t approve of LGBTQI people.
In fact why don’t you read the third-to-last paragraph where I said I was sorry and that I legitimately wished anyone currently on CMBYN all the best in the awards season?
I don’t see how this makes anything that you said any less hurtful.
And how is quoting The Bible hateful?
It isn’t, unless it’s done in the purpose of explaining a person that they are inferior to other people – a bit like quoting passages from Mein Kampf and reading them to a Jew.
People have gone out of their way to explain to you why what you said was blatantly hateful and doesn’t belong in this forum, and you have shown no willingness to learn. One thing I’m glad of is you’ve promised to never touch the subject again – I hope you can keep your word because GoldDerby needs to be a safe and welcoming place for everyone regardless of who they are.
That’s all from me. Once more, have fun growing up.December 11, 2017 at 6:57 pm #1202437312
Let’s make one thing clear: that was not an apology. Your rhetoric about being the worst person ever is obviously playing the victim and your last statement about saying mean things back is another example of that. In this post I’m going to be defending you a little bit so I needed to get this little stipulation out of the way. I thought that was petty and if you really wanted to apologize I think there were several opportunities and alternative methods to go about doing so. The fact that you responded to comments after you declared you wanted to move on from the issue shows that.
But this forum topic has created one of the most hateful environments I have ever seen on Gold Derby. From both sides. Because, Tyler, as much as I vehemently disagree what you said I can’t help but feel a little bad that your character was attacked in this way. I don’t think what you said makes you inherently hateful. I can condemn your statements while still acknowledging that you were met with a rather hyperbolic response.
However, although I don’t think you are hateful I think you are intolerant. I think that you would agree with that because you have decided to view homosexuals the way you interpret the Bible. While not inherently hateful that is inherently intolerant. I think in these instances we need to be careful with our language. Although I am not a religious person myself I can respect your devotion to your teachings. Your reasonings, while completely flawed in logic, are legitimate. As far as I’m concerned, your beliefs aren’t hurting anyone because you are not actively trying to persecute homosexuals. I didn’t take offense to what you said and I am a homosexual. I’ve heard real homophobia and it is much more vile and personal in nature. You condemned homosexuality, provided reasoning, and I wholeheartedly believed that you weren’t setting out to hurt anyone.
You were wrong about one thing though: Being gay is not a choice. You can’t control who you are attracted to. Good for you if you are automatically attracted to everyone and everything and just decide whenever you want but that’s not how it works for most of us. I’ve always resented the notion that being gay is a lifestyle, because you can have two gay people from very different backgrounds and lifestyles and they are both gay.
So I have a problem with your reasoning and interpretation of the Bible. Like Teridax pointed out, if people could just control their urges then everyone would be straight. That’s a much easier way to be. But that’s not the reality. And to say that you can just control your urges and control your attractions whenever you want shows an ignorance to reality. But if those logical fallacies are how you choose to live your life (that is an actual lifestyle choice, by the way) there’s nothing I can do about that and I don’t think you were trying to hurt anyone, even if you need to work on your apology skills.
Sorry for chiming in at the last second. I know my opinion is going to be controversial, but I think it is valuable to hear different perspectives. But most of all, I don’t want GoldDerby to become a place where disagreements escalate to this level. I know it is a delicate topic of conversation and people have very strong opinions but I strive for civility in these forums.
Have a nice day, everyone.December 11, 2017 at 6:59 pm #1202437314
Don’t, please. I am done.December 12, 2017 at 12:09 pm #1202437946
Self-awareness is a powerful thing.December 12, 2017 at 1:32 pm #1202437997
What did I miss?