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  • babypook
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    #127510

    Please continue.

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    vozas
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    (From the Supporting Actress thread)

    Sarah Paulson should’ve garnered a lot more support for that literally haunting turn in 12 Years a Slave. But her name isn’t even featured in the trailers, which I find quite bizarre. She’s as sick as the Michael Fassbender character, probably even moreso as she ultimately seems to be pulling the strings from backstage. Her vocal delivery in particular sent chills down my spine. The way you hear her voice giving orders without her even being within a shot… Wow.

    I need to rewatch 12 Years a Slave because there’s way too much to digest and I have a few issues I need sorted within the movie, but on first viewing it’s really Lupita, Paulson and Fassbender that portray the living hell on earth that is the Epps plantation so vividly, frm both the victim and the aggressor POVs, to the point where I think Solomon becomes too much of a spectator. Maybe that’s the point but I REALLY wanna rewatch this movie.

    Full review later

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    Malick
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    #127513

    Here’s a great link for users from The Huffington Post. Its a quick read and there’s a video to go along with it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-rosen/12-years-a-slave-oscars_b_4534074.html

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    12 Years a Slave beats American Hustle at UK box office
    Read more: http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a543857/12-years-a-slave-beats-american-hustle-at-uk-box-office.html?rss#ixzz2qOyifOgK 

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    Renaton
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    I don’t mean to take away from 12 Years a Slave doing so well. But it’s not exactly fair to count this as something that hurts American Hustle when that one opened before.

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    Scottferguson
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    That’s an excellent figure for 12 Yrs – it’s about $3.8 million, which would have meant about $18 million in the US multiplying for different populations. But Amer Hust the previous weekend did about $5.6 million, its first wide one. Comparing performances by different films in headline like that which are in different stages of release is another example of bad journalism. It is just as bad as a headline saying “12 Yrs opens weaker than Amer Hustle.”

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    I don’t mean to take away from 12 Years a Slave doing so well. But it’s not exactly fair to count this as something that hurts American Hustle when that one opened before.

    The article’s title isn’t my idea of a boastful taunt over the competition. I simply want the UK public to see the film. It bothers me to no end how black themed films centered on racial oppression are simply seen as political correctness propaganda. 

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    Renaton
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    Ok, but I do think that’s a very misleading headline. It implies they were competing for first place, but that would only be true if they opened under the same circumstances and within the same time frame.

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    Scottferguson
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    WordsCOunt – I appreciate that you posted this. It is important information.You aren’t to blame for the misleading headline.

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    Renaton
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    Yeah, Words Count is not the problem. It’s just a very misleading headline. Good for 12 Years a Slave though.

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    I do not think that I gave my thoughts in the first thread after I watched this weeks ago; this new one is not intimidating.

    If there are two films that I feel everyone must see from 2013, they are 12 Years a Slave and The Butler (like An Inconvenient Truth in 2006).  Neither film will make my top ten for the year though.  12 Years a Slave
    does not really paint slavery in any new light; it more just reminds us
    of what we already knew, which is something extremely valuable as
    stated at the top of this paragraph, but not the hallmark of a great
    work of art.  My hat does go off to Steve McQueen for presenting an
    honest portrayal of slavery devoid of grandstanding, but this is an
    awards forum and it is hard to give something so understated an award. 
    People need to remember that these awards are supposed to be for
    specific aspects of film.  An Inconvenient Truth was a great public service, but that does not mean that I wanted it nominated for best sound or cinematography.

    With
    that in mind, I am confounded by the awards run of the performances in
    this film.  Lupita Nyong’o and Michael Fassbender have barely any screen
    time and neither has much of an arc.  Seeing the film actually made me
    more confident in my absurd prediction that Fassbender will be
    shockingly snubbed.  This is an extremely weak year for supporting
    actresses, so I will give Nyong’o a bit of a pass.  It is not like she
    is really blocking more worthy performances from a nomination.  Ejiofor
    is good and does get a chance to emote and prove that he can act, but I
    can see why he is not sweeping with the film, although the film itself
    is not really either.

    I have no idea what people see in the
    score either.  Yes, the main motif is nice, but that is all that there
    is.  I was not a huge fan of the Gravity music, but at least that score was varied and present, two things that this score cannot claim.  In this case, 12 Years a Slave
    actually is blocking something deserving from a nomination because the
    academy is not going to give Hans Zimmer two nominations in one year
    (his Rush score was better).  Even before the sound mixers
    guild snubbed it, it was very easy also to drop this from my sound
    mixing predictions.  Given that I do not see this winning Best Picture
    because the academy will sooner go for the inferior and comparitively
    juvenile American Hustle, my guess is that 12 Years a Slave will actually underperform in the nominations like other recent critical darlings that were too cold or edgy, like Zero Dark Thirty, The Social Network and Black Swan
    I feel very confident in my editing predictions, so I do feel that it
    is very safe, but I do have it in fifth there and only fourth in
    costumes, after BAFTA snubbed it.  Looking ahead, if nowhere else, it is
    a lock to win adapted screenplay as at least a consolation prize.  Covering my bases though, if it, say, sweeps SAG, I will have the evidence that I need to do an overhaul of what I think about 12 Years a Slave‘s Oscar chances.

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    Malick
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    I do not think that I gave my thoughts in the first thread after I watched this weeks ago; this new one is not intimidating.

    If there are two films that I feel everyone must see from 2013, they are 12 Years a Slave and The Butler (like An Inconvenient Truth in 2006).  Neither film will make my top ten for the year though.  12 Years a Slave
    does not really paint slavery in any new light;
    it more just reminds us
    of what we already knew, which is something extremely valuable as
    stated at the top of this paragraph, but not the hallmark of a great
    work of art.  My hat does go off to Steve McQueen for presenting an
    honest portrayal of slavery devoid of grandstanding, but this is an
    awards forum and it is hard to give something so understated an award. 
    People need to remember that these awards are supposed to be for
    specific aspects of film.  An Inconvenient Truth was a great public service, but that does not mean that I wanted it nominated for best sound or cinematography.

    With
    that in mind, I am confounded by the awards run of the performances in
    this film.  Lupita Nyong’o and Michael Fassbender have barely any screen
    time and neither has much of an arc.  Seeing the film actually made me
    more confident in my absurd prediction that Fassbender will be
    shockingly snubbed.  This is an extremely weak year for supporting
    actresses, so I will give Nyong’o a bit of a pass.  It is not like she
    is really blocking more worthy performances from a nomination.  Ejiofor
    is good and does get a chance to emote and prove that he can act, but I
    can see why he is not sweeping with the film, although the film itself
    is not really either.

    I have no idea what people see in the
    score either.  Yes, the main motif is nice, but that is all that there
    is.  I was not a huge fan of the Gravity music, but at least that score was varied and present, two things that this score cannot claim.  In this case, 12 Years a Slave
    actually is blocking something deserving from a nomination because the
    academy is not going to give Hans Zimmer two nominations in one year
    (his Rush score was better).  Even before the sound mixers
    guild snubbed it, it was very easy also to drop this from my sound
    mixing predictions.  Given that I do not see this winning Best Picture
    because the academy will sooner go for the inferior and comparitively
    juvenile American Hustle, my guess is that 12 Years a Slave will actually underperform in the nominations like other recent critical darlings that were too cold or edgy, like Zero Dark Thirty, The Social Network and Black Swan
    I feel very confident in my editing predictions, so I do feel that it
    is very safe, but I do have it in fifth there and only fourth in
    costumes, after BAFTA snubbed it.  Looking ahead, if nowhere else, it is
    a lock to win adapted screenplay as at least a consolation prize.  Covering my bases though, if it, say, sweeps SAG, I will have the evidence that I need to do an overhaul of what I think about 12 Years a Slave‘s Oscar chances.

    So you’ve seen slavery movies where coloured people have been depicted as intelligent, with unbreakable wills to live and who could speak incredibly eloquently contrary to popular belief?? If so please let me know where i can find them because from where i stand 12 years absolutely shows what has not been seen before. Movies like Django Unchained push this stupid stereotype that would have you believing the total opposite.

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    “The Social Network” had 8 Oscar nominations. I don’t really know how it underperformed in terms of nominations. It was possible Andrew Garfield was going to be a supporting actor nominee but that is the only nomination it seems like it missed. Otherwise it got every nomination that would be expected for a film set in the present without special effects.

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    Garfield was its only significant miss (or supp actor generally, since Timberlake or Hammer might also have made it – it likely was the fact that there were 3 contenders that screwed his chances).

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    I thought that it missed more than just Garfield, but it even made categories like sound mixing.  Hm.

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