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  • Shawshank
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    As we draw closer to the oscar nominations it seems as though as usual it is a case of who you know and not what you know. Only a few months ago Chewitel, Matthew and Mr Redford was a 2 horse race. Now we are supposedly to add Bruce Dern to this list. First and foremost I have no issue with the actor but does he really deserve to win?

    Jennifer Lawrence buiding momentum for her performance in American Hustle………..yeas she is good but is she better than Lupita? Surely Not?

    For me the last 10 years the oscars have been very predictable and that is its problem. Looking in from the UK and reading all the blogs and stories, it seems that the main ingredients are lost………….the actual film. Acadamy members must look at who deserves it most but not for the film they actually represent. 

    Anyone who loves film before you loathe or lambast this post…….firstly think this how many of the the last 10 oscars has the winner truly deserved it for the film they were in? then as how many were unlucky not to win who were more deserving? I think this is a valid question and im sure Leo is still scratching his head most mornings.

    Is Gravity really the best film of 2013 with 2 actors and CGI (is a good film) does it meet that criteria we expect of a best picture. Or American Huastle because the director lost twice before……..c’mon people give me a break. Is this the criteria people vote on seriously?

    My opinion (may not to be to your liking) is that 12 years a slave is the best picture and also I would give Mcqueen best director…………now before you think……..’typical British guy rooting for British Director’ just hear me out.

    The industry has the opportunity and lets be honest the political side is never going to change and the subject matter will always crop up more until a film of that subject matter wins………….so we can all move on from it. It causes more discussion if it were not to win than if it were to. Otherwise the same stories will surface the next time a slave based (not Django like) movie is made. I think the film is deserving of Best Picture anyway but to give a Mcqueen the nod for Best Director will do far more good to the oscars in the future than to snub him because he ‘is an artist’ and not a director.

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    AviChristiaans
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    Whether or not a film “deserves” the Oscar for Best Picture is simply a matter of opinion.

    We all have opinions on what we think is the “best” of the year. For me specifically it was Zero Dark Thirty & Life of Pi. For the Academy (and its voters) it was Argo. For Gold Derby member Oscar King it was Lincoln. For some critics it was Django Unchained.
    ‘Ultimately, it simply comes down to a matter of personal opinion and preference.

    In my opinion, only ONE film “deserves” Best picture each year: And that will be MY favourite of the year.

    Different people take away different things from films, and people are influenced and moved by different aspects of a film. That ultimately influences what they perceive as the Best and the worst. Just like you think “Gravity” isn’t worthy of being called a film, i also believe “12 Years A Slave” is a sensationalised and over-dramatized adaptation of a great story focusing on the subject matter (racism and slavery) and making sure THAT is what viewers remember , more than the actual story of a man and the ordeals he endured.

    Which brings me to the Oscars. Clearly, there’s no such thing as which actor or film “deserves” to win, because it’s impossible to make a combined lot of criteria to judge art in every quality it has. The Oscars (Academy Awards) are awarded democratically (by popular vote). Voters cast THEIR INDIVIDUAL votes to determine winners. And each of those indivudual voters have THEIR personal preferences as to what THEY perceive as THEIR best films and perfromances. So the ONLY film that deserves to win Best Picture is the one with the most votes (popular vote). Anything else is irrellivant. Our common desire to want to see quality being recognised simply can’t be fully met on a group scale.

    So, Shawshank , it is selfish for you to think that YOUR opinion, YOUR LIKES and YOUR preferences should be regarded as THE final say in the matter. The Alpha & the Omega.

    The actors and pictures that win the Academy Awards (Oscars) in the end are the ONLY ones that “deserved” to win those awards, because a collective body of individuals voted and chose them.It was THEIR choice. And your choice is “12Years A Slave”.

    That’s my opinion on the matter.

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    babypook
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    As we draw closer to the oscar nominations it seems as though as usual it is a case of who you know and not what you know. Only a few months ago Chewitel, Matthew and Mr Redford was a 2 horse race. Now we are supposedly to add Bruce Dern to this list. First and foremost I have no issue with the actor but does he really deserve to win?

    Jennifer Lawrence buiding momentum for her performance in American Hustle………..yeas she is good but is she better than Lupita? Surely Not?

    For me the last 10 years the oscars have been very predictable and that is its problem. Looking in from the UK and reading all the blogs and stories, it seems that the main ingredients are lost………….the actual film. Acadamy members must look at who deserves it most but not for the film they actually represent. 

    Anyone who loves film before you loathe or lambast this post…….firstly think this how many of the the last 10 oscars has the winner truly deserved it for the film they were in? then as how many were unlucky not to win who were more deserving? I think this is a valid question and im sure Leo is still scratching his head most mornings.

    Is Gravity really the best film of 2013 with 2 actors and CGI (is a good film) does it meet that criteria we expect of a best picture. Or American Huastle because the director lost twice before……..c’mon people give me a break. Is this the criteria people vote on seriously?

    My opinion (may not to be to your liking) is that 12 years a slave is the best picture and also I would give Mcqueen best director…………now before you think……..’typical British guy rooting for British Director’ just hear me out.

    The industry has the opportunity and lets be honest the political side is never going to change and the subject matter will always crop up more until a film of that subject matter wins………….so we can all move on from it. It causes more discussion if it were not to win than if it were to. Otherwise the same stories will surface the next time a slave based (not Django like) movie is made. I think the film is deserving of Best Picture anyway but to give a Mcqueen the nod for Best Director will do far more good to the oscars in the future than to snub him because he ‘is an artist’ and not a director.

    Thanks for reading

     

    You sound as if you think 12 Years and McQueen have already lost. And never mind any critical posts in here. If their personal hero were the one who made the post, it would be “O I completely agree”, “O I totally agree”,  “O you’re so right”.

    Let’s just wait and see; not that we have any choice in the matter. And thank you for posting.

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    BrokenFan
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    Don’t worry Shawshank, 12 Years is an excellent movie, and it is still ahead in the race, although I don’t agree that Lupita is better than Jennifer (because she’s not). Gravity is NOT the best movie of the year (this may be shocking for some, and epiphany for others)…it’s certainly is the flashiest, but not the best. Remember that 12 Years also has the ‘gravitas’ behind it and the academy knows the backlash it will receive when it’s snubbed in the big category. 

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    Shawshank
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    Appreciate the responses – the posts are not written to please everyone and im man enough to deal with critical replies. If people dont like my post that is up to them i wont lose sleep. 

    Man that Leo got some moves!! 

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    It’s a matter of taste I suppose. In my opinion 12Yas deserves to win the Best Picture Oscar but that’s about it. The cast was formidable but I’m not rooting for any of the contending actors to win as I believe there’s always someone (even if its only slightly) better in their respective category (from DiCaprio and McConaughey to June Squibb and Jared Leto).

    Directing wise I liked McQueen’s job better in Shame but I do agree he does some magic with a camera. However I think Cuaron has the edge here. His directing achievement was exceptional.

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    AviChristiaans: I see what you’re saying, but what I think shawshank is getting at is that the Oscar race is unfortunately never focused on a discussion of a film’s merit. It’s always about the politics of it all, and that’s a shame. The winner and nominees for Best Picture should come about after back and forth’s on what film’s had the most artistic value. But we know it doesn’t work that way.

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    I agree….politics play a huge role.  It’s sad that voters can be influenced by the campaigning and can’t just watch the movies for what they are.

    One point: I think exceptional direction in a movie is not just limited to technical work—that is, the shot set-up/composition, execution, innovative technique, staging of actors, use of lens, etc.  It also needs a driving philosophy, a clarity of vision seen throughout that film, that is compelling and is supported by the technical choices.  I want to see both halves in the Best Director of the year.  For example, for me Saving Private Ryan is really missing the vision component, while it was a huge technical achievement.  

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    I’ll back ypu up Shawshank, the politics of it all really is annoying. And the fact that it’s between 12 Years and Gravity baffles me. 12 Years is miles better than Gravity. 

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    That’s not a fact, just your opinion. Many others think Gravity or other films are miles better than 12 Years. That’s is my opinion, but I would never claim it is a fact.

    Politics helps 12 Yrs and hurts Gravity. It may be annoying, but it is a strong factor favoring 12 Yrs. 

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    I used fact figuratively. I know it’s an opinion. I’d never claim that my opinion is fact, I apologize if it came across that way. I just mean that, as the race has been standing for the last few months, it’s been 12 Years and Gravity. It’s just weird to me, personally.

    As for politics, putting those two thoughts in the same paragraph was a mistake. They were separate thoughts – I don’t think Gravity is a frontrunner because of politics. I just don’t like the politics, and I also don’t like that it’s between 12 Years and Gravity. Just my opinion.

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    Appreciate the clarification. In any event, the Oscars have little to do with lasting quality. I’d be thrilled if Gravity won best picture since in my opinion it is the best film of the year, but what I think is best rarely wins (among English language films of any given year, I’d say only Sunrise, Unforgiven, Titanic, Million Dollar Baby and The Hurt Locker are for me the only cases). So I’d be pleasantly surprised if Gravity won, though separating it from my preferences, I do think it has a good chance, only some of which have to do with it possibly being perceived as “better” than 12 Years.

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    AviChristiaans
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    AviChristiaans: I see what you’re saying, but what I think shawshank is getting at is that the Oscar race is unfortunately never focused on a discussion of a film’s merit. It’s always about the politics of it all, and that’s a shame. The winner and nominees for Best Picture should come about after back and forth’s on what film’s had the most artistic value. But we know it doesn’t work that way.

    noted. But how would you measure a film’s artistic value fairly and objectively, and compare and judge that with other films? Different films bring different things to the table. Some are rich in its stories, art direction and costumes, others focus more on masterful technical details, while others are simply age old acting showcases. Judging and weighing up a films artistic achievement is also cold hard opinion based as well. So there is no difference. People like and are moved by different factors and elements in a film. The cinematographers/directors guild might regard gravity a masterpiece, whereas the writers guild will go for 12 years a slave and the acting guild will go for nebraska or the butler. That is the point i am getting at. Maybe there might be a better way to judge films, but judging in itself is based on opinion.

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    i understand that politics play a huge role in awards. And i am not saying 12 years a slave is the worst film ever. I have said it before, i love it. It’s a masterpiece in all aspects of film making. I have watched it 3 times already, and i am sure i will watch it 3 more times before this awards race is over. I am the one that has recommended it to half of planet earth. Forced even. People are annoyed at me because of this film. But it is quite frankly not my favorite or best film of the year. It just is not. It didn’t do for me what other films have. It is one of my favorites. So when i say 12 years a slave is not the best film of the year, that right there is my opinion.

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    Ctubuchanan – you my friend I give kudos that was the point I was making. Of course everyone opinions differ and if we all agreed then it would be a sorry world we live in. However the merits of the most prestigous film awards ceremony I feel is lost on factors that should have no bearing.

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