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  • Jake
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    I know that Drama section at the GGs is always more crowded than the one for Musical or Comedy. Yet don’t you think that putting some films which are essentially biographical dramas with soundtracks into the latter category is in some way unfair?

    Sissy Spacek, A Coal Miner’s Daughter
    Angela Bassett, What’s Love Got to Do With It?
    Jamie Foxx, Ray
    Reese Witherspoon & Joaquin Phoenix, Walk the Line
    Marion Cotillard, La Vie En Rose

    All of them won over competition from less serious motion pictures. Not one of those films was comedy. Musicals? It’s hard to compare them to “Dreamgirls”, “Chicago” or “Moulin Rouge!”. Can every film with a soundtrack be considered a musical, especially when some of the performers DON”T do their own singing? 

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    M H
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    #69435

    I think it makes no sense to place comedies and musicals together. Musical isn’t a genre, it is a medium. 

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    Logan
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    The Globes have remained pretty consistent with this (don’t remember everything – maybe there are some examples of odd choices), so I don’t mind it.

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    GhostOrchid
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    Sissy Spacek, A Coal Miner’s Daughter
    Angela Bassett, What’s Love Got to Do With It?
    Jamie Foxx, Ray
    Reese Witherspoon & Joaquin Phoenix, Walk the Line
    Marion Cotillard, La Vie En Rose

    I haven’t seen the first one listed, but yes, the others are definitely dramas imo. Should have been placed there.
    “A Crazy Heart” was also about a (fictional) musician and placed in drama.
    I don’t mind at all comedy and musical listed together. Sometimes it’s not easy to find 5 nom-worthy musicals for a seperated section….

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    BenitoDelicias
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    I’ve seen all of the ones listed, none of them are even close to being musicals, much less comedies. Chicago is a musical. Moulin Rouge is a musical. The others are dramas with music. Concert scenes, studio recording scenes, writing with a guitar scenes don’t make a musical. And musicals that are dramatic don’t belong together with comedies either. The Globes are a joke with this (and many other things) but…

    It bothers me that since they don’t have a place to put these musicals, they stick them here, they also seem to believe that they are lighter movies than a drama, but at the end of the day they can be as dramatic as a drama movie if they want to, some of them are, so why not compete in Drama? And it’s not like they have tons of musicals each year or every two years for this category’s name to be like that.

    For example, Les Miserables is bound to win that Comedy/Musical Globe, and it looks like it’ll be as dramatic as anything else on the race.

    Another example: was Joaquin Phoenix deserving of a Globe for Walk the Line? Yes. Was he deserving of a Musical Globe? No. A Comedy Globe? No. Over Steve Carrell who wasn’t nominated for The 40 Year Old Virgin, for example? No. He should’ve competed in Drama and if Hoffman, Strathairn and others were better and more dramatic, then so be it.

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    #69439

    But Les Miz is a dramatic musical (like West Side Story or Moulin Rouge!), just not a drama with music.

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    CAROL-CHANNING
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    I think it’s ridiculous that musicals are placed in the comedy section of the Globes.  They should be listed as either a “comedy” or “drama” that just so happen to be a musical as well.  It depends on the mood of the piece.  If they are lighthearted at the core (Chicago, Hairspray), then they are a comedy.  If they are dramatic (Les Mis, Nine, The Phantom of the Opera), then they are dramas.

    And biographical dramas about musicians shouldn’t be considered musicals.  They are dramas with music.  And they shouldn’t be lumped in the category with comedies.  The comedy section of the Globes is to recognize that comedy acting is a different skill that is of equal value to dramatic acting.  Marion Cotillard, Jamie Foxx, Sissy Spacek, and Angela Bassett were in dramas. 

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    iskolar
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    I think it’s ridiculous that musicals are placed in the comedy section of the Globes.  They should be listed as either a “comedy” or “drama” that just so happen to be a musical as well.  It depends on the mood of the piece.  If they are lighthearted at the core (Chicago, Hairspray), then they are a comedy.  If they are dramatic (Les Mis, Nine, The Phantom of the Opera), then they are dramas.

    This is how I’ll sum my thoughts about this. Though what makes the Globes weird about it is that if the musician is a fictional character (Jeff Bridges in Crazy Heart, Gwyneth Paltrow in Country Strong), they go to Drama, then if the musician is absed on a real character (Cotillard, Foxx, Phoenix, Witherspoon), they’re on the other category.

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    While I think lumping comedies and musicals together is silly, I think the bigger problem is that awards in this “Comedy or Musical” category havent even going to comedic or musical performances and films. The Artist? the Kids Are All Right? Both were dramatic pictures, with small comedic elements (or was The Artist in as a musical because of the technicality that nearly all of the sound in that film was well… music?) Annette Benning? Michelle Williams? Both performances were wonderful, and I was all for giving some kind of award to both, but Comedy/Musical? It just doesn’t fit. And then of course we have the whole problem with the HFPA nominating films like The Tourist and Burlesque, but that’s a whole other conversation.

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    So….what if they do away with two categories?

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    theproblemdog
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    Lol well I like the idea of at least one major awards show recognizing comedy, but I guess maybe if they really aren’t rewarding comedic performances anyways, they sold do away with them

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    Well, what I like about (adjectives and vowels) is that they’re not above giving a win to an animated film(s); but I do recall HFPA giving “Driving Miss Daisy” this award in Comedy. O yes. That film was a real knee-slapper.

    I realize the rea$ons why they have two separate categories, but really.

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    Jake
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    To be fair I like that they are the only group that recognize such performances like Frances McDormand in “Burn After Reading”, Diane Keaton in “Manhattan Murder Mystery” or Michelle Pfeiffer in “Frankie and Johnny” on the women side and practically every male winner of Musical or Comedy category between Joaquin Phoenix and Jean Dejardin but the placing somehow can be confusing. “The Tourist” situation made them look bad and now they work harder not to repeat it, thus not letting producers of “The Help” submitting in comedy (which would be… odd). And nominations for “Carnage” ladies showed that sometimes there are not many creditable contenders. Poor Kate Winslet basically got no applause at all, only some leftovers from claps for Michelle Williams. 

    Yet I have nothing against comedies and musicals in the same category but there are too many dramas pretending to be either of them or both. “The Kids Are All Right” was good mix of both so I’m ok with this placing (especially given how crowded drama was that year, compared to m/c) and “My Week With Marilyn” was… lighter drama. That placing was more confusing but somehow understandable as Marilyn was associated with comedies and the film wasn’t presented in that serious manner. 

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