Are Inherent vice and Birdman to quirky to win best picture?

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  • Ryan Lapierre
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    #161985

    Inherent vice and Birdman are contenders to be nominated for best picture. However the 2 films are going to be dark quirky and totally off the wall. Are these 2 films to quirky to win best picture over such dramas like Unbroken, Foxcatcher, or Gone girl?

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    The studios behind these titles do not expect Best Picture wins. Nor do the filmmakers themselves care for their quirky movies to be weighted down by the stigma that comes from a Best Picture win. Both are closer to prepackaged cult movies than prestige bait.

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    Nessie
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    #161988

    ^^^This. Agree totally. And neither film is going to make any money so the studios might not want to spend a fortune campaigning.

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    Macbeth
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    ^^^This. Agree totally. And neither film is going to make any money so the studios might not want to spend a fortune campaigning.

    Okay, while I think the idea of them being too quirky to win may be at play (but a great film is a great film), but I refuse to believe that they won’t make any money (I hope you’re not being serious), because with the names attached to them, you bet they will make money.

    Too quirky to win? Where in the world does that come from? Both are tremendously great films from great directors with stellar casts and brilliant screeplays. I don’t think there is ever a rule that a film is “too quirky” – Inherent Vice is going to be absolutely brilliant, and while it may not be the AMPAS’ cup of tea, it definitely will not be because it is “too quirky”. I don’t think either Birdman nor Inherent Vice were ever frontrunners to win, and you can bet they will get some acting nominations. I know I sound very standoffish and opionated, but I definitely do not think that them being quirky will hurt them in any way

     

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    Nessie
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    I think the only likely nomination is Keaton in Birdman. Of course, I haven’t seen either film! Joaquin Phoenix: I read Inherent Vice a very long time ago (and didn’t like it enough to re-read it now). Phoenix’s specialty is, let’s face it, playing weirdos. He does it very well, but I’ve never seen him display any range. Her was about as low-key as I’ve seen him, but the guy was a weirdo.This role is for another weirdo. He was a weirdo in The Master. He played Johnny Cash as a weirdo. In the early days, I admired Phoenix but now I think he is just a, you guessed it, weirdo.

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    I think the only likely nomination is Keaton in Birdman. Of course, I haven’t seen either film! Joaquin Phoenix: I read Inherent Vice a very long time ago (and didn’t like it enough to re-read it now). Phoenix’s specialty is, let’s face it, playing weirdos. He does it very well, but I’ve never seen him display any range. Her was about as low-key as I’ve seen him, but the guy was a weirdo.This role is for another weirdo. He was a weirdo in The Master. He played Johnny Cash as a weirdo. In the early days, I admired Phoenix but now I think he is just a, you guessed it, weirdo.

    I get your reasoning but I know you are insightful and knowledgeable enough to not just label his performance in The Master as a simple weirdo. You know his acting is way more layered than that.

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    Yes, he may play weirdos, but he gained three Oscar nominations by playing weirdos, so if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it . Its like telling Daniel Day-Lewis not to play complex, intense individuals. You may or may not like ol’ Joaquin, but there is no doubt that he will be excellent in Inherent Vice, and while he may not get nominated, I doubt he will not show any range. All the early screening reports I’ve read have praised Phoenix to heaven and beyond (and I honestly don’t feel like he was the best choice for the role – Robert Downey Jr or Jason Schwartzman would have been my pick), but when the trailer comes tomorrow (apparently), we’ll see 

    Birdman, on the other hand, is too big to ignore. Michael Keaton is the respected former star who is in a magnificent role. Emma Stone is a charming young actress that very few people dislike and who is immensely talented, and Edward Norton is just so talented, and he apparently has an amazing role in Birdman. Add Screenplay, Cinematography, Editing to it, and also Best Director, then you have a Best Picture nominee, simple as that in my opinion. 

     

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    Nessie
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    I’m joking (to some degree). I liked Phoenix’s performance in The Master very much, but there is no denying he played a weirdo! 

    The Master only grossed $28 million worldwide and had a budget of $30 million. I imagine Inherent Vice is going to have the same problem. It may be the greatest film in history (and I would love any ‘arthouse’ film to make as much as a film starring some guy in Spandex), but I doubt if it’s going to be profitable and I doubt if a studio is going to “waste” too much money campaigning. Especially, as this has been such a poor year, financially.

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    Macbeth
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    Yeah, I know you were being sensible, just the way you said it was a little strange

    When you put the numbers like that, it makes sense. Still, The Master didn’t make much but still earned three acting nominations, so we’ll see. Like I said, Birdman is too huge for them to ignore.

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