Are we underestimating ‘Sicario’ at Oscars?

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  • Paul Sheehan
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    It has done boffo box office, gotten great reviews and has lots of buzz.

    Why does it not rank higher in our prediction center?  

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    ATadPolish
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    I’ve been curious as to why it is soo low on the predictions centre, I think it will do well in term’s of nominations and probably win a couple of tech awards. I think Benico Del Toro has a better shot at a nomination than say Michael Keaton or Samuel L. Jackson does. Emily Blunt will struggle but I think she will earn her first nomination for this, I’m predicting that the film gets nominated in these catergories…
    Best Picture
    Best Actress
    Best Supporting Actor
    Best Original Screenplay
    Best Editing
    Best Original Score
    Best Sound Editing
    Best Sound Mixing

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    TerenceFletcher
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    ^Best Cinematography – Roger Deakins

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    ATadPolish
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    ^Best Cinematography – Roger Deakins

    I always forget something, Deakins is a lock for a nomination for sure but will struggle to beat Lubezki this year.

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    TerenceFletcher
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    [quote=”DakotaRaabe”]

    ^Best Cinematography – Roger Deakins

    I always forget something, Deakins is a lock for a nomination for sure but will struggle to beat Lubezki this year.
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    They need to build the narrative that Lubezki has won the last two and Deakins has never won. It’s got to be hard to establish a narrative for a cinematographer but it’s worth a shot and Deakins deserves a win in his career. I can still easily see Lubezki winning though.

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    ATadPolish
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    [quote=”aTadpolish”]

    [quote=”DakotaRaabe”]

    ^Best Cinematography – Roger Deakins

    I always forget something, Deakins is a lock for a nomination for sure but will struggle to beat Lubezki this year.
    [/quote]

    They need to build the narrative that Lubezki has won the last two and Deakins has never won. It’s got to be hard to establish a narrative for a cinematographer but it’s worth a shot and Deakins deserves a win in his career. I can still easily see Lubezki winning though.
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    While I would love for Deakins to win this year I don’t think he will, He is however going to be doing the Cinematography for the Denis Villeneuve directed Blade Runner sequel which sounds like his best bet for a win.

    I think Cinematographers are becoming more and more relevant but I agree a narrative is hard to build in tech catergories.

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    KyleBailey
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    I’ll be seeing it this weekend but it seems like this movie is only going to get cinematography from what I’ve heard 

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    babypook
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    [quote=”Paul Sheehan”]It has done boffo box office, gotten great reviews and has lots of buzz.

    Why does it not rank higher in our prediction center?  

     

    Because he’s a Canadian director?…No wait; James Cameron…..HA!

    Not sure, but it’s the first film I’ll be watching this weekend.  Looking forward to seeing Blunt and Del Toro reunited. Because it’s Villeneuve, and I’m familiar with his politics, at least rendered in his films, I’m not too worried where this is going.

    And big props to the chances of my longtime favorite Cinematographer, Roger Deakins.

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    benutty
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    They need to build the narrative that Lubezki has won the last two and Deakins has never won. It’s got to be hard to establish a narrative for a cinematographer but it’s worth a shot and Deakins deserves a win in his career. I can still easily see Lubezki winning though.

    It IS hard to build narratives for non-actors or non-directors, but it’s actually Lubezki’s narratives that won him his last two Oscars and will probably win him his third in a row. Think about it: the narrative for Gravity was the use of new technologies, most of which was Lubezki’s job. Not to mention it continued his masterwork in the long take that he began with Children of Men. Then, the narrative for Birdman was about his long take. This year, the narrative is the struggle of filming in only natural light and all the restrictions and demands that come with that.

    The only narrative Deakins has, aside from his status as one of the very best cinematographers of all time, is that he’s never won. Sadly, though, that point becomes mostly moot once final voting happens–his name is never listed as the nominee. Instead, as is true in all non-acting categories, only the name of the film is listed on the ballot. In that sense, only the initiated will know which of the films Deakins worked on or will even know him to be a constantly-nominated-but-never-winning cinematographer.

    All of that being said, I think Lubezki will win again, BUT I think the work that Deakins does in Sicario is spectacular and some of his best work–reminiscent of the underappreciated stuff he did in Jarhead.

    I also REALLY loved Johannsson’s score.  

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    ETPhoneHome
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    I really look forward to seeing it this weekend, but I don’t expect it to have a lot of impact at the Oscars. Villeneuve is sadly under recognized within the industry, despite having delivered three consecutive magnificent wide-release films to critical acclaim. I fully expect Sicario to continue this streak, and once I see it, I’ll have a better sense of which awards that I feel it will get snubbed for.

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    About Deakins probably not winning either this year, he’s one of my favorite working cinematographers and the eternal snub is getting really frustrating, though I don’t mind him losing again if it is with Lubezki – my absolute favorite.

    To me Lubezki should be competing this year to win his fifth or so.
     

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    I really look forward to seeing it this weekend, but I don’t expect it to have a lot of impact at the Oscars. Villeneuve is sadly under recognized within the industry, despite having delivered three consecutive magnificent wide-release films to critical acclaim. I fully expect Sicario to continue this streak, and once I see it, I’ll have a better sense of which awards that I feel it will get snubbed for.

    Same. To all. I’m eager to watch Sicario! Then I’ll know better what snubs expect and for what snubs be surprised.
     

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    [quote=”Paul Sheehan”]It has done boffo box office, gotten great reviews and has lots of buzz.

    Why does it not rank higher in our prediction center?  

    Because he’s a Canadian director?…No wait; James Cameron…..HA!

    Not sure, but it’s the first film I’ll be watching this weekend.  Looking forward to seeing Blunt and Del Toro reunited. Because it’s Villeneuve, and I’m familiar with his politics, at least rendered in his films, I’m not too worried where this is going.

    And big props to the chances of my longtime favorite Cinematographer, Roger Deakins.

    [/quote]

    Said In jest?

    I don’t think you’re far off the mark though.
    He’s French-Canadian.
    Sicario is his
    seventh feature film. His first four were in French though which isn’t
    surprising (a couple may have English dubbing) but it doesn’t get much exposure
    for him south of the Canadian border, in spite of 3 receiving Genie Best
    Director awards.

    For the benefit of others in the U.S. . . .
    Of his first four French language, the one most
    likely to be familiar to a few in the U.S. is his fourth film, 
    Incendies (2010). It was nominated for the 2011 Best Foreign Language
    Film, but was only shown in art houses (peaked at less than 100 screens) with
    about $6M gross box office (U.S.). IMO it should have won as it’s a viscerally
    very powerful film with an emotionally explosive ending. Those who like Prisoners or Sicario should give this one a shot. Note that it’s in French with
    English subtitles and some aspects of it verge on NC-17 territory. It is most definitely
    NOT one for any of the kids! I discovered Denis Villeneuve when it was
    released on Blu-ray.

    Probably
    the best known of all is his fifth, 
    Prisoners (2013).
    It’s his first English language movie. Filmed in Georgia starring Jake
    Gyllenhaal it had wide release in the U.S. peaking at 3300 screens, grossing $61M
    in the U.S
    . and twice that
    globally, which is very good. Cinematography was done by Roger Deakins. He has
    done most of the Coen Bro’s films, starting with their fourth, 
     Barton Fink, plus
    Frank Darabont’s 
    Shawshank
    Redemption
    , Scorsese’s Kundun, and Ron
    Howard’s 
    A Beautiful
    Mind
    . It earned Deakins an Academy
    Best Cinematography nomination.

    The
    sixth, 
    Enemy (2013),
    also in English with Jake Gyllenhaal, would be much less known in the U.S. than 
    Incendies as
    it had an even narrower release and 1/6th of its box office gross. A very
    surreal and abstract film, one review I read called it Kafka-esque. A better
    characterization would be Cronenberg-esque, perhaps Lynch-esque. Not surprised
    by its narrow and short release in the U.S. Surreal and abstract it’s definitely
    not mainstream cinema, and requires careful, attentive viewing.
    Received
    numerous awards in Canada including a fourth Best Director Genie for Villeneuve.

    Sicario, his seventh, and the second one with Deakins
    doing the cinematography goes into wide release in the U.S. tomorrow. After 
    Prisoners, quite a
    few will be watching how it’s received by U.S. mainstream audiences. The
    critics who have presumably seen preview screenings overwhelmingly liked it in
    substantial numbers. Bodes well for a box office success that would solidify
    his U.S. reputation. AMPAS is another matter because he lacks name recognition,
    but they may go for its content in spite of that. From what I’ve read, it seems like Syriana, Traffic and No Country for
    Old Men
    stirred together. Deakins is a likely candidate for another
    Cinematography nomination. I see Denis Villeneuve’s star rising like Iñárritu’s
    has over the past several years.

    John

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    manakamana
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    I think it can be nominated for Blunt and Film Editing, but I just think the other categories (and even those categories) are probably too crowded for it.

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    babypook
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    [quote=”babypook”]

    [quote=”Paul Sheehan”]It has done boffo box office, gotten great reviews and has lots of buzz.

    Why does it not rank higher in our prediction center?  

    Because he’s a Canadian director?…No wait; James Cameron…..HA!

    Not sure, but it’s the first film I’ll be watching this weekend.  Looking forward to seeing Blunt and Del Toro reunited. Because it’s Villeneuve, and I’m familiar with his politics, at least rendered in his films, I’m not too worried where this is going.

    And big props to the chances of my longtime favorite Cinematographer, Roger Deakins.

    [/quote]

    Said In jest?

    I don’t think you’re far off the mark though.
    He’s French-Canadian.
    Sicario is his
    seventh feature film. His first four were in French though which isn’t
    surprising (a couple may have English dubbing) but it doesn’t get much exposure
    for him south of the Canadian border, in spite of 3 receiving Genie Best
    Director awards.

    For the benefit of others in the U.S. . . .
    Of his first four French language, the one most
    likely to be familiar to a few in the U.S. is his fourth film, 
    Incendies (2010). It was nominated for the 2011 Best Foreign Language
    Film, but was only shown in art houses (peaked at less than 100 screens) with
    about $6M gross box office (U.S.). IMO it should have won as it’s a viscerally
    very powerful film with an emotionally explosive ending. Those who like Prisoners or Sicario should give this one a shot. Note that it’s in French with
    English subtitles and some aspects of it verge on NC-17 territory. It is most definitely
    NOT one for any of the kids! I discovered Denis Villeneuve when it was
    released on Blu-ray.

    Probably
    the best known of all is his fifth, 
    Prisoners (2013).
    It’s his first English language movie. Filmed in Georgia starring Jake
    Gyllenhaal it had wide release in the U.S. peaking at 3300 screens, grossing $61M
    in the U.S
    . and twice that
    globally, which is very good. Cinematography was done by Roger Deakins. He has
    done most of the Coen Bro’s films, starting with their fourth, 
     Barton Fink, plus
    Frank Darabont’s 
    Shawshank
    Redemption
    , Scorsese’s Kundun, and Ron
    Howard’s 
    A Beautiful
    Mind
    . It earned Deakins an Academy
    Best Cinematography nomination.

    The
    sixth, 
    Enemy (2013),
    also in English with Jake Gyllenhaal, would be much less known in the U.S. than 
    Incendies as
    it had an even narrower release and 1/6th of its box office gross. A very
    surreal and abstract film, one review I read called it Kafka-esque. A better
    characterization would be Cronenberg-esque, perhaps Lynch-esque. Not surprised
    by its narrow and short release in the U.S. Surreal and abstract it’s definitely
    not mainstream cinema, and requires careful, attentive viewing.
    Received
    numerous awards in Canada including a fourth Best Director Genie for Villeneuve.

    Sicario, his seventh, and the second one with Deakins
    doing the cinematography goes into wide release in the U.S. tomorrow. After 
    Prisoners, quite a
    few will be watching how it’s received by U.S. mainstream audiences. The
    critics who have presumably seen preview screenings overwhelmingly liked it in
    substantial numbers. Bodes well for a box office success that would solidify
    his U.S. reputation. AMPAS is another matter because he lacks name recognition,
    but they may go for its content in spite of that. From what I’ve read, it seems like Syriana, Traffic and No Country for
    Old Men
    stirred together. Deakins is a likely candidate for another
    Cinematography nomination. I see Denis Villeneuve’s star rising like Iñárritu’s
    has over the past several years.

    John

    [/quote]

    Said in jest? Yes and no.

    The film that prompted me to watch all of his works is Polytechnique. I’m old enough to remember what happened, and lived not too far away from the area.  A shoe-string budget, no preaching, no gimmicks, no splashy presentation. He didnt have to; although he could have condemned a certain “profession”. When he scored for Incendies, I was elated for him. Now, he has money to make more accessible Americanish films. Not a bad thing.

    Since Polytechnique, I’ve been in his camp. He’s a team and brainstorming kind of guy, which I appreciate. Actually I’m leaving very soon for Sicario.  It isnt likely with that cast, cinematographer, (screenplay), that I’ll come away disappointed. He didnt spend a lot of money either, relatively speaking.

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