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  • RobertPius
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    How did he win? What was the analysis as to how he beat Nicholson, Pacino, and Hoffman? Was it a big shock?

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    Asgaroth
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    I’ve always thought it was because of vote-splitting between those three.

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    Eddy Q
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    I think vote-splitting between Nicholson and Pacino, as well as veteran love for Art Carney (haven’t seen Harry and Tonto). I’m not sure Hoffman was ever that competitive, but I might be wrong.

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    Beau S.
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    Carney was the veteran up against four overdue actors in acclaimed performances. He won because the four of them split the vote, and that’s why his win is utter bullshit.

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    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
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    Carney’s performance in Harry and Tonto is great, but nowhere near the others, especially Pacino’s performance.

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    vinny
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    I liked Carney’s performance.

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    DominicCobb
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    Pacino should have had this in the bag, but no. Of course this meant that he would win in 1992 over Denzel Washington, which meant that he would win in 2001.

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    Eddy Q
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    If Art Carney winning for Harry and Tonto fatefully led to Denzel Washington winning for Training Day, then I’m all for it.

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    Asgaroth
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    I’m not so sure that Carney’s win was what unleashed the chain of events that led to Washington winning his first best actor trophy for Training Day. I think that Pacino was going to win in 92 had he won in 74 or not.

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    Atypical
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    I doubt Pacino would have won for “Scent of a Woman” if he’d already won previously. Just a feeling. But if Denzel won for “Malcolm X,” then that would have likely signaled Crowe winning consecutively for “A Beautiful Mind,” which would have been utterly gross. He might have even overcome Phonegate in that instance. As for Art Carney, I watched “Harry & Tonto” during one of the past TCM marathons, and yeah, that was a sentimental Oscar win if I’ve ever seen one. At least the rest of his field that year ended up being honored with wins eventually (all except Albert Finney, sigh).

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    I have written about this very scenario..ART CARNEY’S  win over 4
    great overdue actors..and my theory of how BRUCE DERN  is in
    the same position this year to accomplish the same feat….

    Less precursors in those days…Nicholson won almost all of’
    them with CHINATOWN….Pacino was in the best picture winner,
    Hoffman was in a best picture nominee and Finney was in a
    Sidney Lumet hit with 6 nominations..

    Little ol Art Carney was in a mild hit film with just 2 nominations
    and he prevailed….

    McConaughey, Dicaprio, Ejiofor and Bale….step aside and stand
    for DERN when he wins….

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    RobertPius
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    The weirdest thing is Carney was almost exclusively a TV actor. He barely even made any other films prior to Harry and Tonto. Sort of like how Jessica Tandy’s win is categorized as long overdue yet she barely made any memorable films prior to Daisy. She was a theatre star not a film one.

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    starfishgirl
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    yeah, but I think The Honeymooners was so huge in the culture that it made him universally known and loved despite the fact that he mostly did TV. I do kind of hate the “make-up” award though, where all those people you mentioned ended up winning for lesser performances because they had been overlooked so many times in the past. it’s one of the annoying trends in Oscar history

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    endaugust
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    I have written about this very scenario..ART CARNEY’S  win over 4
    great overdue actors..and my theory of how BRUCE DERN  is in
    the same position this year to accomplish the same feat….

    Less precursors in those days…Nicholson won almost all of’
    them with CHINATOWN….Pacino was in the best picture winner,
    Hoffman was in a best picture nominee and Finney was in a
    Sidney Lumet hit with 6 nominations..

    Little ol Art Carney was in a mild hit film with just 2 nominations
    and he prevailed….

    McConaughey, Dicaprio, Ejiofor and Bale….step aside and stand
    for DERN when he wins….

    First off, Art Carney’s role was a lot more substantive than Dern’s passive one.  Secondly, Dern is no Carney, who was in a legendary TV series and a household name. 

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    GermanGuidanceSystem
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    [quote=”Benbraddock”]I have written about this very scenario..ART CARNEY’S  win over 4
    great overdue actors..and my theory of how BRUCE DERN  is in
    the same position this year to accomplish the same feat….

    Less precursors in those days…Nicholson won almost all of’
    them with CHINATOWN….Pacino was in the best picture winner,
    Hoffman was in a best picture nominee and Finney was in a
    Sidney Lumet hit with 6 nominations..

    Little ol Art Carney was in a mild hit film with just 2 nominations
    and he prevailed….

    McConaughey, Dicaprio, Ejiofor and Bale….step aside and stand
    for DERN when he wins….

    First off, Art Carney’s role was a lot more substantive than Dern’s passive one.  Secondly, Dern is no Carney, who was in a legendary TV series and a household name. [/quote]

    I’m only fishing in the dark here, as I don’t know who Art Carney is and I haven’t seen Nebraska; but would being known as a TV actor (even in a legendery series) count as an advantage or disadvantage. I believe that traditionally film actors have looked down their noses at TV actors and seen TV as a step down or demotion. Isn’t only recently, with higher production values, big money and the popularity of the DVD box set that TV acting has seen its standing become equivalent with film? 

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