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  • Jason Travis
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    Continue. 

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    Sab227
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    I have a feeling Helen Mirren is going to have a repeat of Hitchcock, she’ll get nominated for everything else except the Oscars, I think that last spot will go to Jane Fonda who deserves a nom and to tie a win with Jennifer Jason Leigh

    Predictions 
    Jane Fonda: Youth
    Jennifer Jason Leigh: The Hateful Eight 
    Rooney Mara: Carol 
    Alicia Vikander: The Danish Girl 
    Kate Winslet: Steve Jobs 

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    QUOTE BY NICK Did I ever say I was right? I was just as wrong about Kate Winslet
    winning the Globe just as you were wrong about Sylvester Stallone. With
    you, Vince, the reason I call you a fanboy is because, once again, you
    act like one. It’s like sooo many of the other ones I see on YouTube or
    IMDB or even Twitter. You’re more bearable but nonetheless annoying when
    you do that. The Danish Girl wasn’t a critical flop just because it
    didn’t have a 90%. It was actually divisive unlike Joy where that was
    accepted as an absolute mess of a film. And the difference with me is
    that I can admit when my faves get shitty or very meh unlike most of the
    users here. What’s funny is that we could either be best friends or
    worst enemies and we choose to go at each other’s throats a lot.

    You call me a fanboy everytime I express my opinion about any actresses or actors in a positive way. If I say that Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Winslet or Sandra Bullock are all good actresses, you call me out and offend me out of no reason. You see, my points are usually spot on, I think I’m doing pretty GOOD in predicting (last year 81%, you can see it on my blog, this year, hopefully even better), but your hate towards certain actresses doesn’t let you embrace my point of view. And I don’t want you to like me or be nice to me, but I do want you to be respectful, couse I don’t think that saying that Winslet, who’s one of the most respectful actresses of all time, has a chance would be that big a of a fanboyism.

    No one has talked about “Joy”. I was referring for “Steve Jobs” and “The Danish Girl”. You rave about Vikander and call her a front-runner basically based on the same theory as I call Winslet that. Individual reviews & popularity in critically not-so-liked films. You just prefer Alicia, and now I’m the fanboy and stupid one for predicting Winslet.

    Best friends….?

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    Final Predictions
    1. Kate Winslet, Steve Jobs
    2. Rooney Mara, Carol
    3. Alicia Vikander, The Danish Girl
    4. Jennifer Jason Leigh, The Hateful Eight
    5. Kristen Stewart, Clouds of Sils Maria (NGNG prediction)

    Alt: Helen Mirren, Trumbo

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    Eddy Q
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    Final predictions (I think?)

    1. Kate Winslet
    2. Jennifer Jason Leigh
    3. Helen Mirren
    4. Alicia Vikander – Ex Machina
    5. Joan Allen

    As far as I could find, no Globe nominee for Drama Actress has received a supporting nod at the Oscars. Only Catherine Zeta-Jones for Chicago got Comedy/Musical Actress nod then supporting at Oscars, and she had a much better case for a supporting placement than Rooney Mara in Carol. So I’m daring to leave her out. Then again, there are those that won’t even watch the movie yet might still vote for Mara in supporting just because they think they should.

    I’m aware there is a chance I only get 2/5 for this category. I am, however, going to make a case for Alicia Vikander in Ex Machina getting nominated and maybe eventually winning, despite how “un-Oscary” this would be. The main problem that some people seem to have with predicting her is that nominating actors for playing androids is just not what the Oscars do. But I would argue that there is no precedent for this type of performance getting recognised because… well, exactly that, there is no precedent. Can anyone remember a time when a role like this was even in the discussion for Oscars? Or one that had both BAFTA and Globe nominations? I didn’t think so. So the whole “un-Oscary” argument doesn’t really hold.

    SAG nominated Vikander in supporting for The Danish Girl because they had to; going lead wasn’t an option. But Ex Machina did get a PGA nom, which makes me wonder what would’ve happened at SAG had Vikander been submitted as a lead for The Danish Girl. And no one’s ever received lead noms at Globes and BAFTA only to go supporting at Oscar, so in some ways I’d actually be quite surprised to see The Danish Girl get a supporting Oscar nom.

    So assuming the Ex Machina nomination actually happens, Vikander could then go on to win SAG for The Danish Girl and BAFTA for Ex Machina, though she does have stiff competition for the latter. In this scenario, everywhere would be Vikander Vikander Vikander, and then she’d start to look undeniable. There’s also another factor I haven’t mentioned, and that’s Tom’s famous “babe factor” theory. Wasn’t Ava just the sexiest android you’ve ever seen? She even has a nude scene near the end (wearing skin and everything!) There’s also copious nudity in The Danish Girl, which she won’t win for in lead, but voters will have both roles in mind when marking their ballots.

    Unless of course she only gets in for The Danish Girl (or even not at all), in which case this whole argument is void. But I thought I’d get my views across while I still can. 

     

     

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    Kevin Groome
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    Final predictions:

    1. Kate Winslet in Steve Jobs
    2. Jennifer Jason-Leigh in The Hateful Eight
    3. Alicia Vikander in Ex-Machina
    4. Helen Mirren in Trumbo
    5. Rachel McAdams in Spotlight

    Alt. Kristen Stewart in Clouds of Sils Maria

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    Final predictions (I think?)

    1. Kate Winslet
    2. Jennifer Jason Leigh
    3. Helen Mirren
    4. Alicia Vikander – Ex Machina
    5. Joan Allen

    As far as I could find, no Globe nominee for Drama Actress has received a supporting nod at the Oscars. Only Catherine Zeta-Jones for Chicago got Comedy/Musical Actress nod then supporting at Oscars, and she had a much better case for a supporting placement than Rooney Mara in Carol. So I’m daring to leave her out. Then again, there are those that won’t even watch the movie yet might still vote for Mara in supporting just because they think they should.

    I’m aware there is a chance I only get 2/5 for this category. I am, however, going to make a case for Alicia Vikander in Ex Machina getting nominated and maybe eventually winning, despite how “un-Oscary” this would be. The main problem that some people seem to have with predicting her is that nominating actors for playing androids is just not what the Oscars do. But I would argue that there is no precedent for this type of performance getting recognised because… well, exactly that, there is no precedent. Can anyone remember a time when a role like this was even in the discussion for Oscars? Or one that had both BAFTA and Globe nominations? I didn’t think so. So the whole “un-Oscary” argument doesn’t really hold.

    SAG nominated Vikander in supporting for The Danish Girl because they had to; going lead wasn’t an option. But Ex Machina did get a PGA nom, which makes me wonder what would’ve happened at SAG had Vikander been submitted as a lead for The Danish Girl. And no one’s ever received lead noms at Globes and BAFTA only to go supporting at Oscar, so in some ways I’d actually be quite surprised to see The Danish Girl get a supporting Oscar nom.

    So assuming the Ex Machina nomination actually happens, Vikander could then go on to win SAG for The Danish Girl and BAFTA for Ex Machina, though she does have stiff competition for the latter. In this scenario, everywhere would be Vikander Vikander Vikander, and then she’d start to look undeniable. There’s also another factor I haven’t mentioned, and that’s Tom’s famous “babe factor” theory. Wasn’t Ava just the sexiest android you’ve ever seen? She even has a nude scene near the end (wearing skin and everything!) There’s also copious nudity in The Danish Girl, which she won’t win for in lead, but voters will have both roles in mind when marking their ballots.

    Unless of course she only gets in for The Danish Girl (or even not at all), in which case this whole argument is void. But I thought I’d get my views across while I still can. 

    The fact that we are talking about a newcomer makes the ‘double nomination’ argument weak. No one on earth is rushing to give Alicia two Oscar nominations for two of her first ever big film roles. She’s not Cate Blanchett, Al Pacino, Julianne Moore, Jessica Lange, Sigourney Weaver or Emma Thompson. They are going to go with the baity performance ala “The Danish Girl” in supporting and that’s all for her.

    “Ex Machina” is going to be snubbed in my opinion. Even in Original Screenplay.

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    babypook
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    I certainly wouldnt mind seeing Joan Allen surprise with a nod. I notice she’s been mentioned a few times in our posts and for me, she is one of the top reasons to watch Room.

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    Zooey the Dreamer
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    [quote=”Wilkomirsk11″]

    Final predictions (I think?)

    1. Kate Winslet
    2. Jennifer Jason Leigh
    3. Helen Mirren
    4. Alicia Vikander – Ex Machina
    5. Joan Allen

    As far as I could find, no Globe nominee for Drama Actress has received a supporting nod at the Oscars. Only Catherine Zeta-Jones for Chicago got Comedy/Musical Actress nod then supporting at Oscars, and she had a much better case for a supporting placement than Rooney Mara in Carol. So I’m daring to leave her out. Then again, there are those that won’t even watch the movie yet might still vote for Mara in supporting just because they think they should.

    I’m aware there is a chance I only get 2/5 for this category. I am, however, going to make a case for Alicia Vikander in Ex Machina getting nominated and maybe eventually winning, despite how “un-Oscary” this would be. The main problem that some people seem to have with predicting her is that nominating actors for playing androids is just not what the Oscars do. But I would argue that there is no precedent for this type of performance getting recognised because… well, exactly that, there is no precedent. Can anyone remember a time when a role like this was even in the discussion for Oscars? Or one that had both BAFTA and Globe nominations? I didn’t think so. So the whole “un-Oscary” argument doesn’t really hold.

    SAG nominated Vikander in supporting for The Danish Girl because they had to; going lead wasn’t an option. But Ex Machina did get a PGA nom, which makes me wonder what would’ve happened at SAG had Vikander been submitted as a lead for The Danish Girl. And no one’s ever received lead noms at Globes and BAFTA only to go supporting at Oscar, so in some ways I’d actually be quite surprised to see The Danish Girl get a supporting Oscar nom.

    So assuming the Ex Machina nomination actually happens, Vikander could then go on to win SAG for The Danish Girl and BAFTA for Ex Machina, though she does have stiff competition for the latter. In this scenario, everywhere would be Vikander Vikander Vikander, and then she’d start to look undeniable. There’s also another factor I haven’t mentioned, and that’s Tom’s famous “babe factor” theory. Wasn’t Ava just the sexiest android you’ve ever seen? She even has a nude scene near the end (wearing skin and everything!) There’s also copious nudity in The Danish Girl, which she won’t win for in lead, but voters will have both roles in mind when marking their ballots.

    Unless of course she only gets in for The Danish Girl (or even not at all), in which case this whole argument is void. But I thought I’d get my views across while I still can. 

    The fact that we are talking about a newcomer makes the ‘double nomination’ argument weak. No one on earth is rushing to give Alicia two Oscar nominations for two of her first ever big film roles. She’s not Cate Blanchett, Al Pacino, Julianne Moore, Jessica Lange, Sigourney Weaver or Emma Thompson. They are going to go with the baity performance ala “The Danish Girl” in supporting and that’s all for her.

    “Ex Machina” is going to be snubbed in my opinion. Even in Original Screenplay.
    [/quote]

    Was Jessica Lange really a huge star before 1982? I doubt it. This was the year she received her first two nods.
    And if Ex Machina doesn’t get a single Oscar nod, it’ll be the first PGA nominee ever to be shut out by the Oscars.  

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    babypook
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    [quote=”Vincelette”]

    [quote=”Wilkomirsk11″]

    Final predictions (I think?)

    1. Kate Winslet
    2. Jennifer Jason Leigh
    3. Helen Mirren
    4. Alicia Vikander – Ex Machina
    5. Joan Allen

    As far as I could find, no Globe nominee for Drama Actress has received a supporting nod at the Oscars. Only Catherine Zeta-Jones for Chicago got Comedy/Musical Actress nod then supporting at Oscars, and she had a much better case for a supporting placement than Rooney Mara in Carol. So I’m daring to leave her out. Then again, there are those that won’t even watch the movie yet might still vote for Mara in supporting just because they think they should.

    I’m aware there is a chance I only get 2/5 for this category. I am, however, going to make a case for Alicia Vikander in Ex Machina getting nominated and maybe eventually winning, despite how “un-Oscary” this would be. The main problem that some people seem to have with predicting her is that nominating actors for playing androids is just not what the Oscars do. But I would argue that there is no precedent for this type of performance getting recognised because… well, exactly that, there is no precedent. Can anyone remember a time when a role like this was even in the discussion for Oscars? Or one that had both BAFTA and Globe nominations? I didn’t think so. So the whole “un-Oscary” argument doesn’t really hold.

    SAG nominated Vikander in supporting for The Danish Girl because they had to; going lead wasn’t an option. But Ex Machina did get a PGA nom, which makes me wonder what would’ve happened at SAG had Vikander been submitted as a lead for The Danish Girl. And no one’s ever received lead noms at Globes and BAFTA only to go supporting at Oscar, so in some ways I’d actually be quite surprised to see The Danish Girl get a supporting Oscar nom.

    So assuming the Ex Machina nomination actually happens, Vikander could then go on to win SAG for The Danish Girl and BAFTA for Ex Machina, though she does have stiff competition for the latter. In this scenario, everywhere would be Vikander Vikander Vikander, and then she’d start to look undeniable. There’s also another factor I haven’t mentioned, and that’s Tom’s famous “babe factor” theory. Wasn’t Ava just the sexiest android you’ve ever seen? She even has a nude scene near the end (wearing skin and everything!) There’s also copious nudity in The Danish Girl, which she won’t win for in lead, but voters will have both roles in mind when marking their ballots.

    Unless of course she only gets in for The Danish Girl (or even not at all), in which case this whole argument is void. But I thought I’d get my views across while I still can. 

    The fact that we are talking about a newcomer makes the ‘double nomination’ argument weak. No one on earth is rushing to give Alicia two Oscar nominations for two of her first ever big film roles. She’s not Cate Blanchett, Al Pacino, Julianne Moore, Jessica Lange, Sigourney Weaver or Emma Thompson. They are going to go with the baity performance ala “The Danish Girl” in supporting and that’s all for her.

    “Ex Machina” is going to be snubbed in my opinion. Even in Original Screenplay.
    [/quote]

    Was Jessica Lange really a huge star before 1982? I doubt it. This was the year she received her first two nods.
    And if Ex Machina doesn’t get a single Oscar nod, it’ll be the first PGA nominee ever to be shut out by the Oscars.  
    [/quote]

     

    Great point. Ex Machina has a real shot at  O Screenplay and/or Visual Effects nominations.

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    Vince, how do you know they’ll go for Vikander’s baitier performance (The Danish Girl) in supporting? Even if they do snub her for Ex Machina? That was part of my argument, that Globes and BAFTA had a choice and put her in lead. SAG didn’t have that choice. It’s all a question of perception, and I’m not seeing a consensus around Vikander as supporting in The Danish Girl, even though I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. 

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    wehan6
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    Ugh I’m gonna be SO pissed if they snub Rachel for her beautiful performance in Spotlight.Leigh, Winslet and Vikander(for Ex Machina) I feel are locks.Then the last two spots will go to either Allen, Mirren, Stewart or Mcadams. I’m predicting Allen and Mcadams will take it.If they nominate Jane Fonda they are officially a mess.

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    Vince, how do you know they’ll go for Vikander’s baitier performance (The Danish Girl) in supporting? Even if they do snub her for Ex Machina? That was part of my argument, that Globes and BAFTA had a choice and put her in lead. SAG didn’t have that choice. It’s all a question of perception, and I’m not seeing a consensus around Vikander as supporting in The Danish Girl, even though I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. 

    I think “The Danish Girl” is more of the Academy’s type of baity performance and she can even win for it, while “Ex Machina” is more like a critics/fan choice. Like I said, I don’t think that the voters feel like they should reward Alicia’s work with two Oscar nominations this year, when others like Jennifer Jason Leigh were waiting on their first nomination for decades. They are pretty greedy in this way, but I see this as a very logical argument. Also, “Ex Machina” aside of it’s amazing awards run, is really out of their typicial confront zone.

    This ‘leading’ – ‘supporting’ thing is very tricky. They cannot really sell that Rooney Mara is infact supporting, but Alicia is leading. So either both of them are going lead, or both of them are going supporting. And as don’t see Mara as a leading contender after the BAFTA mention, and I also have hard time to imagine Vikander getting more leading votes for “The Danish Girl” than supporting for the same role. So it’s up to the supporting category – if she’s nominated for “The Danish Girl”, she has a chance to win, if she’s nominated for “Ex Machina”, she’s dead last.

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    Danish Girl, Steve Jobs, Carol, Hateful Eight, Trumbo

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    Final predictions: Jennifer Jason Leigh (“The Hateful Eight”); Rooney Mara (“Carol”); Helen Mirren (“Trumbo”); Alicia Vikander (“Ex Machina”); Kate Winslet (“Steve Jobs”)

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