February 24, 2016 at 6:45 am #218220
Don’t assume SON OF SAUL has this category on lock down. Been hearing lots of chatter that another nominee could upset. MUSTANG, A WAR or EMBMRACE OF THE SERPENT played very well voters.
MUSTANG seems like it has a decent chance to upset. EMBRACE OF THER SERPENT also seems like it made a splash over the past couple weeks…February 24, 2016 at 12:48 pm #218222
Few feminist votes from the likes of Lena Dunham, Reese Witherspoon can’t carry Mustang to a victory. Son of Saul has this one locked up.February 24, 2016 at 1:35 pm #218223
If Hungary is losing to France, I’ll start my own campaign called #OscarsFullofShit. Son of Saul has the best reviews & most incredibly positive buzz among any nominated films this year. It’s already a travesty that it got snubbed in the bigger categories because Hungary is too small for the Academy to reward it in the big categories…………………February 24, 2016 at 3:11 pm #218224
Dismissing chatter around Mustang as “feminist votes” is really unfair to Mustang as a film. Mustang is one of the best films of the year. Just because the critics are behind Son of Saul doesn’t necessarily mean the Academy is bound to follow. I remember in an indie wire podcast a couple months ago where Anne Thompson mentioned she ran across multiple voters who didn’t care for Son of Saul. Subject matter does not make a film the best of the year. With that being said I do think Son of Saul will win because voters are going to hear about it and vote for it without watching any of the other nominees. If this were the old system for the foreign film category I do think Mustsng would be the winnerFebruary 24, 2016 at 6:47 pm #218225
Mustang is the best film in that lineup and I have been an avid supporter of the movie ever since I’ve watched it. But yeah ,considering Academy’s older male demograph(as opposed to film being about young girls), baitiness and visibility of those two movies, unfortunately the only ones that were voted for Mustang were probably those feminists.
I also call bullshit on “Hungary losing to France” nonsense. Movies are international, and where the movie came from means so little Oscar-wise after a big USA distribution company bought its rights and start to promote it. Sony is one of the best in business. Hungary’s size as a country is irrelevant and there isn’t a hugeeeeeeeee difference between their critical acclaim. People just got to see Mustang later while SoS has been in the conversation since forever.
Btw there isn’t even a tiniest part related to France in that movie, so save your “They’re a fancy country, producing fancy movies, so of course they have an advantage over some second world country” argument to yourselves. It’s a Turkish movie that examines the lives of conservative Turkish people that has been shot in Turkey with Turkish actors. But after the country denied the movie for its subject matter, claiming that it doesn’t represent their culture best, the French-Turkish director took it to the French committe and they agreed to submit it as their own entry.
SoS is a good movie and would be a deserving winner, but it’s time for Academy to get out of their comfort zone and make more daring and inspiring choices. How many more times can they award a World War movie, really?
My ranking: 1-Mustang
2-Embrace of the Serpent
3-Son of Saul
Haven’t seen A War. But even without that, this is a better collection of movies than the top BP lineup.February 24, 2016 at 9:54 pm #218226
Upsets became a thing of the past when they opened up voting to the whole academy.February 24, 2016 at 11:15 pm #218227
Sorry but that’s a bullshit. It’s once again about you prefering something else instead of thinking about the topic objectively. It’s all about the politics. We all know that if Son of Saul would have been made by Americans, British people or French filmmakers, it would have gotten all those big nominations.
Hungary is too small to be significant for the American Film Academy. There is no need to debate this. This is a fact. Lke I mentioned most of the nominated movies were hardly on the same buzz & critics darling level.February 24, 2016 at 11:39 pm #218228
Every time I look at a lock in the Foreign Language category I just think about how fucking enormous of a shock it must have been when The Lives of Others beat Pan’s Labyrinth. Like, no, I didn’t actually follow the oscars then so this is just a guess BUT, looking at all the information, I cannot imagine Pan’s Labyrinth not having been considered one of the biggest locked categories of the night going in, like along the lines of Inside Out for Animated Feature or fucking Leo for Best Actor (someone please tell me if I’m wrong). Yea the voting rules channged but just knowing something like that happened in the history of this category, I don’t know it will make me nervous foreverFebruary 25, 2016 at 11:32 am #218229
Sorry but that’s a bullshit. It’s once again about you prefering something else instead of thinking about the topic objectively.
Says the most subjective person on this board. Did you even watch those films? Because considering your preferences on movies, I’m having a hard time believing that you can like a movie like Son of Saul better than Mustang. Or do you only back it up because it’s from the country you live in?
It’s all about the politics. We all know that if Son of Saul would have been made by Americans, British people or French filmmakers, it would have gotten all those big nominations.
Correct. You can say the same thing about all foreign movies that have ever done in the past 100 years. Selling a non-English movie to American audience will always be harder than selling an English movie. It’s extra harder if there’s a no name director and actors behind the project. Nothing could be done about this. Maybe it’s other countries fault to care USA and their silly awards so much? Imaginative artists from all around the world surely must have produced better movies in 2015 than The Martian, Bridge of Spies and Brooklyn.
It’s weird that you try to make it about politics because there isn’t another movie in this lineup more baitier, affiliated with politics than Son of Saul. I’ve read two brutally honest Oscar ballots. And both of those voters said that them being Jewish had an affect on their votes to SoS.
Hungary is too small to be significant for the American Film Academy. There is no need to debate this. This is a fact. Lke I mentioned most of the nominated movies were hardly on the same buzz & critics darling level.
Smaller than Poland or Iran? Hungary is on the same board with Columbia and Jordan and all three of them were nominated over Italy, England and other heawyweight countries.
If you’re gonna make it about critics there is no other movie this year that is more acclaimed than Mad Max. Do you want Academy to follow critics path on that one, too?February 25, 2016 at 2:25 pm #218230
How am I the most subjective person on these boards? I’m one of the most objective ones. But okay. If you feel so.
Otherwise, it has no point to argue about facts. Hungarian films are never making the cut in other categories than FLF for a reason. And not because they are shitty, but more like because they are small and all what matters for American voters are French films, British films, and American films. They are – deserving or not – have that awfully unfair privilige to be in the conversation every year.
But I’m done talking to you. It does not worth it after your first comment.February 25, 2016 at 2:33 pm #218231
I think the biggest reason SAUL may not be a slam dunk is purely a formal/aesthetic one–the style is all hand-held, very claustrophobic, and highly unconventional in its exaggerated use of point-of-view-only camera positioning. I have no problem with this and found the film very powerful (though I also prefer MUSTANG for a variety of reasons).
But AMPAS has regularly shown that it’s not always very receptive to formal innovations and challenging material. SAUL has both, and having seen it in the theater, I wondered how these kinds of aesthetic choices would play on the small screen (where many voters will be seeing it), especially the shakycam feel.
If it does lose, the most likely alternative would be MUSTANG or (a definite dark horse) EMBRACE. A WAR is simply not on the same level, and while I liked THEEB, it doesn’t have the same scale or emotional power (imho) of the other two.