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Bill Cosby and Roman Polanski Expelled from Motion Picture Academy!

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/movies/cosby-polanski-academy-expelled.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&rref=movies&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Movies&pgtype=article

    Okay, NOW we’re really talking some serious signs of progress here. I thought Harvey Weinstein would be the exception, the one Oscar voter and Academy member being made an example out of so that no one else would suffer any serious consequences for their vile and unforgivable actions. I’m relieved and surprised to be proven wrong about that. No matter how much you agree or disagree with the Oscar nominations and winners this upcoming year, at least we can all take comfort in knowing that they won’t be voting on by these 2 rapists. The industry has come a long way since not only awarding Polanski an Oscar, but giving the son of a bitch a standing ovation for it as well! I’m extremely happy about this news, thank you to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for not letting these 2 sexual predator creeps continue to slime up the Oscars, great job!

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    Teridax
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    I just found these greats tweet by Hanna Ines Flint:

    1977: Roman Polanski rapes 13 year old
    1978: flees the country
    1981: Oscar-nominated for Tess
    2002: Wins Oscars for The Pianist
    2018: Expelled from the Academy

    41 YEARS for the Academy to take action.

    https://twitter.com/HannaFlint/status/992112042013229057

    2003 for The Pianist win but YOU GET MY POINT.

    https://twitter.com/HannaFlint/status/992112295386996737

    You get the point, even though I am grateful Polanski is finally gone from the Academy, it is obviously absurd that it took this long to get him out of there.

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    Atypical
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    SHOOK!!!

    FYIs:

    The Academy isn’t revoking Polanski’s Directing Oscar win for “The Pianist.”

    Woody Allen isn’t an Academy member, so he won’t be the next one on the expelled list.

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    SHT L
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    I remember The Pianist Oscar campaign and it was wildly normal, not just in Hollywood, but on regular internet forum discussions among regular Joe schmoes and on TV and radio how there were actual discussions about whether Polanski should not lose an Oscar for something “unrelated” and how we have to separate the art from the artist or how if we can’t we have to weigh the merits of the artistic achievement against personal failings.

    I also remember being young and listening to non-stop panel discussions on TV about “rape rape” and her seducing him and all that nonsense. That sort of talk was so normalized and women are often put in a position to defend their actions when they report such assaults.

    Those were legitimate discussions everyone, not just hypocritical Hollywood, was having. The fact that we’re in a place now where he’s finally expelled and people are no doubt thinking that anybody who is accused of raping a thirteen year-old girl and then FLEES the country to escape prosecution should not be winning any types of awards no matter if the awards have nothing to do with one’s personal actions is the work of many hard-working people who have done their part to change the narrative and add perspectives often ignored and shushed.

    I think people don’t realize how much work it took to change the whole effing narrative on sexual assault against women (yes even thirteen year-olds) and why we still have such a long way to go.

    In Criminology many years ago, I learned just how underreported rape cases are AND how often many of them are voluntarily dismissed after the initial investigation. There’s a huge reason for that and one that ties into why it took so long for the Academy to expel Polanski.

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    Teridax
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    SHOOK!!!

    FYIs:

    The Academy isn’t revoking Polanski’s Directing Oscar win for “The Pianist.”

    Woody Allen isn’t an Academy member, so he won’t be the next one on the expelled list.

    I think revoking the nominations and wins of disgraced members like Harvey Weinstein and Roman Polanski would be kind of complicated even though I would agree with the decision to do so. For example, with Polanski and Weinstein producing nods, since they were one of multiple producers it would be easier to simply erase their names from the wins and nominations of the films on the Academy’s official records, much like how Greg P. Russell got his name erased from the Sound Mixing nomination of 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi while his fellow nominees for the film got to keep their Sound Mixing nods. However, in the case of Polanski being nominated for Screenplay for Rosemary’s Baby, his nominations for Directing Chinatown and Tess, and his eternally infamous win for The Pianist, he was the sole nominee thus making it practically impossible to erase his name from those nods and win without erasing those the films themselves received. I suggest replacement nominees, being whichever film came in 6th place for those specific cases, and in the case of The Pianist the runner-up in votes for Best Director will be crowned as the new winner of that category, which would probably be DGA winner Rob Marshall for the Oscars Best Picture winner that year, Chicago.

    I also hope Kevin Spacey is next. While I believe Dylan Farrow (and have even gotten into a scuffle one time on these forums with her doubters) I don’t think Woody’s case is as clear as Polanski’s, Cosby’s, Spacey’s, and Weinstein’s, where there had been so many women and men who had come forward and their stories had been corroborated that it seems genuinely fair to have the public play judge and jury with the information that was available. Woody Allen ideally would simply be a pariah where he is no longer able to work on any new film with any A-list celebrities he wants. Sadly, judging by Diane Keaton and especially Alec Baldwin’s defenses of Woody, I doubt that pariah status will ever happen.

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    SHT L
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    I think pariah status is already happening. It’ll just take time when the current teenage and twenty-somethings in Hollywood become the thirty-to-sixty-year-olds that hold more sway in the power side of things.

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    Teridax
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    I think pariah status is already happening. It’ll just take time when the current teenage and twenty-somethings in Hollywood become the thirty-to-sixty-year-olds that hold more sway in the power side of things.

    Exactly. By that time Woody Allen will be dead anyway, so his story will hopefully serve as a cautionary tale of how NOT to treat accused child molesters in the case of Dylan Farrow and underage groomers in the case of Soon-Yi Previn, the latter of whom was his girlfriend’s freaking adopted stepdaughter. Whether or not people believe Dylan, that shit is gross no matter how you look at it.

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    DaKardii
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    SHOOK!!! FYIs: The Academy isn’t revoking Polanski’s Directing Oscar win for “The Pianist.” Woody Allen isn’t an Academy member, so he won’t be the next one on the expelled list.

    Is it even possible to revoke Oscar nominations/wins for reasons other than technicalities regarding eligibility rules?

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    I disagree wholeheartedly with revoking wins. Disgraced nominees and winners who reject their statuette for better and worse the decision of the voters stands.

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    Bye Perverts !

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    RobertPius
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    It seems like it would be a record keeping nightmare if they started taking back nominations and awards from people. Just off the top of my head I can think of the case of Gig Young who is pretty much thought to have murdered his wife and then killed himself.

    And these are just high profile winners. Think of all the tech nominees there have been over the years. I’m sure there are at least a few who have done illegal or immoral things.

    (although on the other hand it would be interesting to see who the new winners or nominees would be. I wonder if Price Waterhouse keeps those records somewhere.)

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    It seems like it would be a record keeping nightmare if they started taking back nominations and awards from people. Just off the top of my head I can think of the case of Gig Young who is pretty much thought to have murdered his wife and then killed himself.

    And these are just high profile winners. Think of all the tech nominees there have been over the years. I’m sure there are at least a few who have done illegal or immoral things.

    (although on the other hand it would be interesting to see who the new winners or nominees would be. I wonder if Price Waterhouse keeps those records somewhere.)

    Don’t forget about 3-time winner Sam “casting couch” Spiegel! So are we going to take away the in my opinion deserved Best Picture wins for On The Waterfront, The Bridge On The River Kwai, and Lawrence of Arabia because the sole producer who won and accepted those Best Picture Oscars was a creepy slimebag? For the sake of not being a hypocrite I would accept it. Besides, the likely 2nd place film behind Lawrence of Arabia and thus the new Best Picture winner would be To Kill a Mockingbird, which is a classic in its own right. I don’t know what would replace On The Waterfront (maybe The Caine Mutiny?) and The Bridge On The River Kwai probably won in such a landslide blowout that giving that specific BP prize to a different winner would look odd no matter what.

    Also, Gloria Swanson alleged that Wallace Beery raped her on their wedding night and claimed that he tricked her into drinking a concoction that caused her to have an abortion. Taking away Beery’s Oscar would be MUCH easier since he won it in a tie with Fredric March for Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Actually, March had one more vote than Beery, but due to an insane rule at the time if the result was within three votes then a “tie” would be declared, so to take away Beery’s award would not only be fitting posthumous punishment for a bully and a creep, but also due to his having not had the most votes from Academy members in the first place.

    I’m sure Price Waterhouse keeps ALL those voting records safe and hidden so as not to piss off A-listers who would be pissed to find out how few votes they received once nominated or how painfully close they came to winning. I believe Jack Nicholson for Easy Rider would be Gig Young’s replacement winner, hypothetically speaking.

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    If the Academy wants to kick out the criminals, predators and perverts, that’s fine but revoking wins and nominations? I would be against that because that would be a slippery slope. Does every film that should qualify for awards have to be made by saintly perfect people? Of course not. Chinatown is still a great movie and deserved all those Oscar nominations and wins. I believe that. I also believe Roman Polanski should’ve gone to prison for raping that girl. It’s possible to believe in both.

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    PJ Edwards
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    Good riddance. They still cant erase that standing ovation from history though.

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    Marco B.
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    Revoking wins and nominations would be disgusting and a sign of the growing incapability to distinguish between artist and work of art. Hopefully we are far from that time.

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