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  • JustGuy89
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    Ok so I just watched Birdman, and I loved it! I loved everything about that movie! But I couldn’t help but notice how similar it was to Black Swan. Did any of you feel the same way? I mean of course each of of them stand on its own but I definitely felt like both of these films shared something in common. Thoughts?

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    That’s funny, because throughout the entirety of Whiplash, I kept thinking to myself, “This is kinda like a less-trippy version of Black Swan.”

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    I am not actually quite sure the comparison between Black Swan and Birdman are entirely justified. But the similarities are there

  • They obviously both have birds in the title, and are about people playing bird-like characters in the film
  • They are both about the rise and fall and desperation of show business
  • They are stylish and dark surreal films, although Birdman is a lot funnier 
  • They both fit into the same mould of the desperation and vicious personalities involved in showbusiness, and are very dark – so what they share in common is the type of story it tells. But other than that, they are quite different

    But if it means both will win leading acting Oscars, I’m all for the comparison  

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Yeah kinda, I guess.

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#176933

I agree with Carol-Channing, I definitely felt like I was watching the male centred, music based version of Black Swan with Whiplash. 

But I watched Whiplash before I saw Birdman, so if I saw Birdman before hand, then I may have felt the same. I clearly see your point. It is the focus on one individual, with the utter surrealistic fantasy going on with their mental health as they battle their way through their (next in Birdman’s case) big break. They are both the leading role on stage, in something that they have fought for. They both have people who are very doubtful of their competence. There is the ambiguity with both films finale’s.  

Basically, a sitting of Black Swan, Birdman & Whiplash one after the other would be incredibly intense, dark, tension, but all have enough uniqueness to make them special in their own right. 

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#176934

Both are bad, but at least Black Swan isn’t as offensive as Birdman.

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Both are bad, but at least Black Swan isn’t as offensive as Birdman.

How is Birdman offensive? Fair enough if you don’t like it, but what part of it offends you? 

 

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It’s offensive to the viewing experience

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It’s offensive to the viewing experience

I understand your reservations and hatred of the film and the person who made it, but I do think you’re being a bit harsh calling it offensive – maybe you dislike it very much, but it is pretty acclaimed and I don’t think anyone other than those who have played superheroes find it offensive.  

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It’s offensive to the viewing experience

Offensive: to actively cause someone to feel resentful, upset or insulted.  

I am happy for you to have an opinion on the film but really, offensive?  

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It’s offensive to the viewing experience

Lol great explanation.  Calm down, sweetie.  If you wanted to come here just to bash the film, you could have gotten your point across just by saying you thought it was bad.

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The first half of the film was flashy with all its techniques etc. but as the heart of the piece became clearer and clearer towards the end of the First half, I thought its close to a masterpiece. Love the ending.

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How funny. When I saw both Birdman and Whiplash, I thought, “These totally feel like a Darren Aronofsky film.” Too bad Aronofsky’s 2014 effort (Noah) paled into comparison to both these two and his previous film (Black Swan). 

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[quote=”GustavoCruzESilva”]It’s offensive to the viewing experience

I understand your reservations and hatred of the film and the person who made it, but I do think you’re being a bit harsh calling it offensive – maybe you dislike it very much, but it is pretty acclaimed and I don’t think anyone other than those who have played superheroes find it offensive.  [/quote]

Come on… there is a scene in this film where a character LITERALLY looks directly at us and basically says LOOK AT HOW STUPID AND PETTY THEY ARE! That scene is just ONE example of the indulgence and disdain this hack of a filmmaker and his fellow screenwriting partners WANT to display in Birdman, which they mistake for geniality, artistry and cleverness. Self-satisfied filmmaking with nothing genuine to say is offensive to those who are watching a movie. I like to borrow a friend’s definition to this movie… he said it’s a self-congratulatory tribute to itself. This is a movie that expects us to thank it for having been played for us right after that ridiculous ending, carefully designed to mean nothing yet seem brilliant. So yeah, I do think it’s offensive and I stand by that claim.

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All three movies are intensely focused on one character’s obession with being a success at something in the arts. Each is unrelentingly melodramatic, aspiring to be operatic. Each also uses fantastical/surreal elements to heighten its intensity while maintaining its place in the “real world”. All three are kinda overrated in their own ways. However, Birdman is the only truly misguided movie of the trio. Unlike Blackswan and Whiplash, which had enough sense to remain intimate and somewhat fun, Birdman attempts to vary its tone and focus, which made it overwhelming and confused. And it strains itself trying to reach for something philisophical, which ultimately made it unbearable.

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