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    Most very successful LGBT drama films have been based on relationships and characters who are not seen as stereotypical gay folks. EX:Brokeback, Milk, Philadelphia, and now CMBYN. Most LGBT successful movies with more stereotypical characters have been comedies. Ex : Bridcage and Father of the bride. Be interesting to see when a romantic drama with more stereotypical characters are taken seriously. Where does the fault lay probably on the studios and screen writers who base a lot on general public attitudes and money. Seems like there is very little honest discussion here when a movie like CMBYN is successful.

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    Icky
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    I understand that you can’t dump on one movie because it doesn’t really offer anything new. And that’s not the core of my criticism when it comes to this film. But yeah, it would be nice to, you know, see something new. The majority of “serious” movies about same-sex relationships involve “straight acting” people. That needs to change at some point. Or how about diving into how a significant amount of queer people alter their behavior and mannerisms to appear more “straight”? How about a movie where the characters don’t speak so ambiguously and vaguely about everything? How about a romance that’s not about self-discovery or self-acceptance but is actually about people who are out, have been there and done that and already been through the same-sex relationship ringer? It appears gay and gay-leaning characters can’t be the centerpiece of a drama unless they’re closeted and in the midst of self-discovery. “Weekend” (which is superior to this flick) was a decent example of something a tad different, but it was a very low budget and low-profile offering, and even in that movie they were closeted and “straight acting”.

    Like I said, this is a well done flick, but let’s not act like there is much ground-breaking here.

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    Two men fall in love.  Neither of them die, get beat up, or contract HIV.  Elio’s parents don’t kick him or Oliver out.  They encourage him to feel his pain instead of trying to numb it. There’s more weight there than you’re giving it credit for.

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    Mason Desantis
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    I think CMBYN is different because most movies in queer cinema still seem to focus so  much on the trauma of it all and in this one there is no punishment or judgement. But if we boil CMBYN down to “a gay movie” then we’re really doing it a disservice. This isn’t a gay movie, this is a coming-of-age story about many firsts – the first crush, the first kiss, the first sexual experience and the first heartbreak. I’m straight but it was very easy for me to relate to Elio because we’ve all experienced that deep, all-encompassing infatuation with another person. This is not a story about being gay or self- acceptance but a story about  first love that affects and shapes the rest of your life.

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    Icky
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    “Not getting AIDS”, “Not dying”- those are very low standards, even if this were ten years ago. But I get it. A lot of people, particularly people who love this movie, don’t want to fully “go there”. And no one movie should have all the pressure of forwardness. As I’ve mentioned a few times already, it’s a good flick, and in and of itself that’s enough. But even as a movie about “firsts” it still leaves a lot to be desired and is overly careful and precious. Of course, if I genuinely loved the movie or was more moved by it these things would barely bother me.

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    Honey
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    Barry Jenkins raved the movie last night, calls it refreshing.

    “CALL ME BY YOUR NAME — sweetness without a trace of sentimentality; a work made without fear of sentimentality. Sweetness beside sex. Sex that transmutes love. An intellectually rigorous examination that never loses warmth. Earnest, mature and endearing the whole way through.”

    “Refreshing to see a work that aligns curiosity, fear and courage side by side, image to image, human beings drifting from one emotion to the next and back, revealing and retreating from themselves, from life; all of us capable of so much, but allowing ourselves so very little.”

    “And I’m glad I waited to see it in a theatre. Had no idea it was shot on emulsion. I may be reaching, but there’s a tension between the grain and the focus here. A delicate tension for sure. A struggle to resolve. A fleeting, elegiac struggle to resolve.”

    “A supremely delicate and humane work. Elegant and brilliant in its modesty. For in this film Luca has gotten to the essence of a clear principle: there are few things more profound than the evolution of a human heart. And there’s no more direct way to access one’s true self.”

    “To that end, it was not lost on me that in a film titled CALLED ME BY YOUR NAME, the last word spoken was….”

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    LangeWeaver2
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    I think that’s a good point, lcky.  The real glory of this film is the emotional response it creates.  I don’t know that I would’ve been as big of a fan if it didn’t affect me on the emotional level in that bittersweet and tender way.

    I enjoy debating these things with all of you.  Besides watching them, conversation is the best thing about movies.

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    Honey
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    To me it’s an emotional roller coaster movie that has a beautiful script/breath-taking cinematography/powerful subtle performances/and an artistic auteur director who knows how to balance the source material and make it artistic, emotional, without making it a pretentious piece of shit. Really don’t get why this film has to be a revolutionary piece of work when it’s an ADAPTED SCREENPLAY. If you’re going to criticize a movie of being not revolutionary, you should start with movies that are ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY. I don’t see any of u guys at the get out/lady bird/3b/etc threads shouting not revolutionary so it’s not good enough lol. If the film is good and people’s favorite film, I think it’s stupid to basically say they’re all basic cuz the movie didn’t “go there”.

    Also not sure why we have to make up some random consequence or whatever for the characters in the movie, when it’s not in the original source….? But who knows, maybe if this film was set in space in Avatar universe and everybody in this movie was blue aliens. it would fulfill your revolutionary piece of work requirement, cuz there hasn’t been an LGBT film involving not humans? But who knows, im straight so maybe my opinion is irrelevant cuz u know it means I automatically can’t understand this movie to some people.

     

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    Underperforming at GG, then at SAG, this is going down the route of Carol. I suggest fans of the movie to be prepared for a BP snub.

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    Thomas Eagan
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    Good discussion I do question my masculinity sometime. Did I create it because I was so terrorized as a kid. Maybe one day I will wake up and be Johnny Weir 🙂 How many feminine men love turning up the volume on the other side of the issue.
    I loved CMBYN mostly because I have had so many broken hearts in the past. One very recently. I cried with Elio at the end of the film. The look on his face and those tears are inside my heart. I hope he wins best actor. I loved when Elio Dad warns his son of the heart hardening but I am not sure it ever does:-) I wish I had Elio’s Dad in my life. This is why I love and identify with this film. I think it is a perfect film 🙂

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    Underperforming at GG, then at SAG, this is going down the route of Carol. I suggest fans of the movie to be prepared for a BP snub.

    If it is snubbed in BP there is NO WAY Timothée loses Best Actor, the backlash about film’s snub would be enough to push him over Oldman. That being said, I think the film is safe at #7 or 8.

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    Thomas Eagan
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    No way this film gets snubbed from a best pic nom. I say no less than 4 noms Best Picture, Actor, screenplay, song. I also think it gets at least one supporting actor nom. So that would make it 5. Maybe 6

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    LangeWeaver2
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    I think it gets between 4 and 6 noms:

    Adapted Screenplay  (most likely)

    Best Actor

    Best Picture

    Best Original Song

    Best Supporting Actor

    Best Supporting Actor x 2 (least likely)

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    manalemel
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    Goodness me, Barry Jenkins…

    Grain as proof of the film’s ethereal and superlative efforts to speak to the audience?

    I mean…  Can grain not be grain?  Heh.

    I jest, I jest…  But Mr. Jenkins, how can a work be not afraid of sentimentality, and then be devoid of it?

    Just saying…  😉

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    Noah Arlington
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    Underperforming at GG, then at SAG, this is going down the route of Carol. I suggest fans of the movie to be prepared for a BP snub.

    The Academy isn’t the same as it was in 2015.

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