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January 9, 2018 at 10:32 am #1202461952
Personally i think Call me by your Name is a better film than Brokeback. I think the competition this year is much tougher than what Brokeback faced. Brokeback may not even have been nominated this year for best picture Saying that I loved Brokeback.January 9, 2018 at 10:32 am #1202461954
I think the films are too different to compare, honestly.January 9, 2018 at 10:36 am #1202461957
They definitely are different films. I think Brokeback broke barriers. The LGBT community has come a long way. Elio doesn’t have to hide what he feels. For me I do think CMBYN is a better filmJanuary 9, 2018 at 10:39 am #1202461960
It’s like lemons and…peaches (pun).
Brokeback opened the floodgates for gay themed cinema to go mainstream. CMBYN goes beyond that. It’s a story about two “people” that fall in love. From a viewers perspective it’s not even relevant if their gay or straight. The film succeeds in establishing that. That’s why it’s so perfect.January 9, 2018 at 11:15 am #1202462004
BM is more about repression and characters not accepting their homosexuality or struggling with it. CMBYN is more a game of seduction. The characters embrace their feelings very easily. The main point being that there are no barriers on who you fall in love with.January 9, 2018 at 11:56 am #1202462095
I prefer Brokeback Mountain to CMBYN. CMBYN is more like Maurice, except that I like Maurice better.January 9, 2018 at 12:58 pm #1202462174
Oh Lord Almighty…
I mean, break it down any number of ways, there isn’t a single thing to be said right now because CMBYN has about a year of release and yet the majority of the country hasn’t had a chance to even watch it due to its ultra-limited release. Starting Jan. 19th, and then at least five years after that date, maybe this question will have some ground to stand on.
And that’s if they’re to be compared with social longevity and filmmaking craft. Lee’s Brokeback and Guadagnino’s CMBYN are nowhere near perfect films or adaptations of their source novel, and they’re not even attempting a similar story in any way, shape, or form, so unless we’re comparing them via the lens of how “well” they adapted their source and how proficient the filmmaking is, again, we’d have to wait a few years until the fever of CMBYN has gone down and people can see it beyond the rose-tinted “perfection” glasses the majority of its most vocal (and non-vocal) fans are currently wearing.
It was the same with Brokeback too, and it aged just fine for the most of them. But it’s an inherently unfair question right now.
I mean, I can also just bullshit it and call Brokeback the superior movie, but that would just be my gut instinct and not at all a response that’s been well-thought out and given time to simmer.
When I read things like “CMBYN goes beyond that” in relation to Brokeback being the gateway to more mainstream GLBTQ movies (which, um, never happened, not really?), and that’s what makes it “perfect”, my immediate reaction is to roll my eyes, NOT as a dismissal of the opinion in and of itself, but a dismissal of how ready people are to give that to a film that’s younger than Brokeback, and therefore, will not have the same relevance or standing it has now. Even mathematically speaking, films are not charted in linear graphs; Brokeback DID indeed break some new ground in queer cinema (heck, cinema, period), and so it cannot be judged the same as CMBYN, which, whether admitted or not, benefits greatly from the existence of Brokeback (and to a lesser degree, films like Moonlight), and is therefore already at an advantage.
Also, the same “universal love story” conversation was used during Brokeback’s ad campaign and press tours and interviews, so distinguishing THAT as strictly “gay” is doing as much a disservice to CMBYN by calling it “gay”, IF we’re trying to compare the two as fairly as possible. 😉
Seriously, CMBYN fans, simmer. It’ll be a great movie like a 100 years from now to you, but y’all need to chill or you’re going to thrust it right into the greedy hands that collapsed American Beauty, where apparently it sits now with other trash released in 1999… And that was pre-Spacey annihilation.January 9, 2018 at 1:09 pm #1202462194
One is a tragic story, the other one a love story. Very different but both good and necessary in their own way. I personally liked CMBYN more, almost everyone can relate to Elio falling in love and the movie is just so visually appealing.January 9, 2018 at 1:27 pm #1202462206
I mean, there’s plenty of people who can relate to Brokeback’s story, too, which we shouldn’t forget so readily, either.
Just because CMBYN happens to be the other side of the coin doesn’t mean it’s the only side left now.
And as for visually appealing, absolutely, CMBYN is heavenly. But, at least for me, Brokeback is equally stunning, albeit utilizing different shades and hues.
Instead of having to choose, maybe the real talk is in finding the middle place where they both intersect or compliment one another.
There doesn’t need to be an uprooting or dethroning.January 9, 2018 at 1:47 pm #1202462225
Of course some people can relate to the characters in Brokeback, that’s why I said they are both good and necessary in their own way. I never said that CMBYN is better, just that I personally liked it more because I could relate to Elio. And I think Brokeback should have won Best Picture, it was pretty much the first mainstream Hollywood film to tackle the issues it did.January 9, 2018 at 3:10 pm #1202462281
As much as I loved Brokeback and was hysterical when it didn’t win the Oscar after pretty much sweeping everything else. I think what has totally blown me away is Chalamet performance and the heartbreak that Elio was feeling. I have been there so many times and that last scene without a word spoken rips at your heart. It is one of the most memorable scenes ever in my opinion. The music was an incredible choice for that scene I will always remember how it touched me.January 9, 2018 at 3:18 pm #1202462286
CMBYN has certainly been nominated for Best Picture in almost all awards but the wins have not been there. Brokeback won them all. I do think this year has been an incredible year for films. The competition as far as I am concerned was weak the year Brokeback came out. They had a very hard time deciding who they wanted to beat it. Crash was the only movie that was decent.
January 9, 2018 at 3:20 pm #1202462289
- This reply was modified 1 week, 5 days ago by Thomas Eagan.
Are we serious? We’re talking about Brokeback Mountain. That was one for the ages.