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  • Tom O’Neil
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    #138517

    We’re running lots of polls here releated to the Woody, Dylan, Mia, Cate mess …. please give us your votes HERE

     http://shar.es/Qc8BA

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    GermanGuidanceSystem
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    #138519

    Apologies if this was meant to remain a one-post thread. I wasn’t sure…but hopped on anyway.

    I’ve c&p’d the take below, which I posted on the Best Actress thread t’other day:

    I doubt that this Dylan Farrow-Woody Allen story will dent Cate’s chances. The meat of the “allegation” against Cate is that she has worked with Woody Allen on a film. It’s a dubious, tenuous, after-the-fact ‘by general association’ charge at best.

    Now, if someone is in some way “guilty” because he or she has worked in film with Woody Allen, how many people, how many Hollywood people, and how many Academy members would this implicate?

    I checked out this filmography link for Woody Allen:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen_filmography

    On a skim count, I made it that Woody Allen has worked on about 75 feature films over a span of 6 decades. Add to that, 1 TV film, 2 short films and his TV show career starting 7 decades ago. He’s worked consistently throughout a very long and successful career as a writer, stand up comedian, actor, playwright, musician, director, producer and so on.

    This is an old guy who MUST have worked with most of Hollywood! I wonder what percentage of AMPAS membership have worked with him? I would guestimate higher than 50%? Is that too high or too low?

    Whether Dylan Farrow’s broader point about Cate Blanchett is fair or unfair, I can’t see the AMPAS membership letting it turn their opinion of Cates performance. For the reason that a vote against Cate is a vote against themselves. IF Cate is judged to be complicit, then they are also complicit. I can imagine that a majority of AMPAS members will be angered by Dylan Farrow’s broader charge, furious at its timing and will be MORE likely to vote for Cate in Best Actress. The frontrunning, awards season sweeping Cate could be in line for a sympathy vote boost!

     

    Contrast the direction of these potential side effects with the damaging effects of the (medium term) AMPAS own-goal scored by Meryl Streep last month at the National Board of Review gala.  

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    Anonymous
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    This poll seems gross and insensitive.

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    Bill Buchanan
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    Please, Goldderby editors, stop this nonsense. AMPAS should not take this into consideration when voting. They should consider the quality of the performance. But these articles are fueling the politicizing and the campaignign that we so desperately want out of the Oscar race. Most critics and audiences agree that Blanchett gives the best performance in the category. That’s all that needs to be said. If she deserves to win, she should. This Woody/Farrow business should get no play in a site like this.

    Besides, these polls are incredibly offensive.  

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    Tony Ruiz
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    I am of two minds about this.  On one hand I agree that GoldDerby should not try to sensationalize or bring even more attention to what is already a very uncomfortable situation. 

    However, the purpose of this site is to analyze the Oscar race, and in doing so we must look at ALL of the factors that may have an influence on the minds of voters.  To ignore the potential impact of this story on the Oscar race wouuld be just foolish.  I’m not saying that this SHOULD influence OScar voters—I clearly believe that it shouldn’t and that Blanchett deserves to win–but I don’t believe that anyone can objectively say that it WON’T influence the voters.

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    Scottferguson
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    Perhaps there should also be a poll about how this will affect Farrow’s possible Jean Hersholt award chances (which are now donw to about zero…)

    Meantime, Meantime, file this under very curious – after her divorce
    from Frank Sinatra, Mia Farrow had an affair with composer Andre Previn
    (who was married, like Sinatra much older than her). She became
    pregnant.

    Previn divorced. His ex-, singer Dory Previn, then released an album. Among the songs was one named…

    With My Daddy in the Attic…

    which was a fantasy about a girl having sex with her father.

    These are the lyrics:

    Ba ba ba ba…

    With my
    Daddy in the attic
    With my
    Daddy in the attic
    That is where
    My being wants to bed
    With the
    Mattress ticking showing
    And the tattered pillow slip
    And the pine
    Unpainted rafters overhead
    With the
    Door closed on my mama
    And my sibling competition
    And my Shirley Temple doll
    That truly cries
    And my essay on religion
    With the pasted paper stare
    Proving tangibly
    I’d won the second prize
    With my
    Daddy in the attic
    With my
    Daddy in the attic
    That is where
    My dark attraction lies
    With his
    Madness on the nightstand
    Placed beside
    His loaded gun
    In the terrifying nearness
    Of his eyes
    With no
    Window spying neighbours
    And no
    Husbands in the future
    To intrude
    Upon our attic
    Past the stair
    Where we’ll live on
    Peanut butter
    Spread across assorted crackers
    And he’ll play
    His clarinet
    When I despair
    With my
    Daddy in the attic
    With my
    Daddy in the attic
    With my
    Daddy in the attic
    Passed the stair
    Where we’ll live on
    Peanut butter
    Spread across assorted crackers
    And he’ll play
    His clarinet
    When I despair

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    Stardust
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    I am of two minds about this.  On one hand I agree that GoldDerby should not try to sensationalize or bring even more attention to what is already a very uncomfortable situation. 

    However, the purpose of this site is to analyze the Oscar race, and in doing so we must look at ALL of the factors that may have an influence on the minds of voters.  To ignore the potential impact of this story on the Oscar race wouuld be just foolish.  I’m not saying that this SHOULD influence OScar voters—I clearly believe that it shouldn’t and that Blanchett deserves to win–but I don’t believe that anyone can objectively say that it WON’T influence the voters.

    In all likelihood, it naturally would have no significant impact on Blanchett’s chances. However, what all this hoopla by awards sites/bloggers can do IS make it have impact. The idea that it will impact Blanchett’s chances is created/perpetuated by award bloggers & followers. Media only reports the hoopla created by them. Will they stop? lol no.

    Wait till the luncheon comes next week. 

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    mse
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    I feel incredibly uncomfortable about these polls. These questions should start and stop at how this could affect Blanchett’s chances. We don’t have the information to prove or disregard these accusations, and if they are true, asking if Dylan Farrow has the right to come out with her story basically looks like an attempt to silence the victim. And all this just because some film enthusiasts don’t like the reminder that one of the most revered cinematic figures of our time might have committed a terrible crime.

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    Fishbiscuit
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    Nope, not participating in any of these polls.

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    Renaton
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    #138527

    I don’t like when Goldderby gets this clickbaity over controversies. 

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    Scottferguson
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    Woody Allen’s op-ed piece in this Sunday’s NYTimes:

    Last Sunday, Nicholas Kristof wrote a column about Dylan Farrow, the adopted daughter of Woody Allen and Mia Farrow. Mr. Allen has written the following response to the column and Dylan’s account.

    TWENTY-ONE years ago, when I first heard Mia Farrow had accused me of child molestation, I found the idea so ludicrous I didn’t give it a second thought. We were involved in a terribly acrimonious breakup, with great enmity between us and a custody battle slowly gathering energy. The self-serving transparency of her malevolence seemed so obvious I didn’t even hire a lawyer to defend myself. It was my show business attorney who told me she was bringing the accusation to the police and I would need a criminal lawyer.

    I naïvely thought the accusation would be dismissed out of hand because of course, I hadn’t molested Dylan and any rational person would see the ploy for what it was. Common sense would prevail. After all, I was a 56-year-old man who had never before (or after) been accused of child molestation. I had been going out with Mia for 12 years and never in that time did she ever suggest to me anything resembling misconduct. Now, suddenly, when I had driven up to her house in Connecticut one afternoon to visit the kids for a few hours, when I would be on my raging adversary’s home turf, with half a dozen people present, when I was in the blissful early stages of a happy new relationship with the woman I’d go on to marry — that I would pick this moment in time to embark on a career as a child molester should seem to the most skeptical mind highly unlikely. The sheer illogic of such a crazy scenario seemed to me dispositive.

    Notwithstanding, Mia insisted that I had abused Dylan and took her immediately to a doctor to be examined. Dylan told the doctor she had not been molested. Mia then took Dylan out for ice cream, and when she came back with her the child had changed her story. The police began their investigation; a possible indictment hung in the balance. I very willingly took a lie-detector test and of course passed because I had nothing to hide. I asked Mia to take one and she wouldn’t. Last week a woman named Stacey Nelkin, whom I had dated many years ago, came forward to the press to tell them that when Mia and I first had our custody battle 21 years ago, Mia had wanted her to testify that she had been underage when I was dating her, despite the fact this was untrue. Stacey refused. I include this anecdote so we all know what kind of character we are dealing with here. One can imagine in learning this why she wouldn’t take a lie-detector test.

    Meanwhile the Connecticut police turned for help to a special investigative unit they relied on in such cases, the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of the Yale-New Haven Hospital. This group of impartial, experienced men and women whom the district attorney looked to for guidance as to whether to prosecute, spent months doing a meticulous investigation, interviewing everyone concerned, and checking every piece of evidence. Finally they wrote their conclusion which I quote here: “It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen. Further, we believe that Dylan’s statements on videotape and her statements to us during our evaluation do not refer to actual events that occurred to her on August 4th, 1992… In developing our opinion we considered three hypotheses to explain Dylan’s statements. First, that Dylan’s statements were true and that Mr. Allen had sexually abused her; second, that Dylan’s statements were not true but were made up by an emotionally vulnerable child who was caught up in a disturbed family and who was responding to the stresses in the family; and third, that Dylan was coached or influenced by her mother, Ms. Farrow. While we can conclude that Dylan was not sexually abused, we can not be definite about whether the second formulation by itself or the third formulation by itself is true. We believe that it is more likely that a combination of these two formulations best explains Dylan’s allegations of sexual abuse.”

    Could it be any clearer? Mr. Allen did not abuse Dylan; most likely a vulnerable, stressed-out 7-year-old was coached by Mia Farrow. This conclusion disappointed a number of people. The district attorney was champing at the bit to prosecute a celebrity case, and Justice Elliott Wilk, the custody judge, wrote a very irresponsible opinion saying when it came to the molestation, “we will probably never know what occurred.”

    But we did know because it had been determined and there was no equivocation about the fact that no abuse had taken place. Justice Wilk was quite rough on me and never approved of my relationship with Soon-Yi, Mia’s adopted daughter, who was then in her early 20s. He thought of me as an older man exploiting a much younger woman, which outraged Mia as improper despite the fact she had dated a much older Frank Sinatra when she was 19. In fairness to Justice Wilk, the public felt the same dismay over Soon-Yi and myself, but despite what it looked like our feelings were authentic and we’ve been happily married for 16 years with two great kids, both adopted. (Incidentally, coming on the heels of the media circus and false accusations, Soon-Yi and I were extra carefully scrutinized by both the adoption agency and adoption courts, and everyone blessed our adoptions.)

    Mia took custody of the children and we went our separate ways.

    I was heartbroken. Moses was angry with me. Ronan I didn’t know well because Mia would never let me get close to him from the moment he was born and Dylan, whom I adored and was very close to and about whom Mia called my sister in a rage and said, “He took my daughter, now I’ll take his.” I never saw her again nor was I able to speak with her no matter how hard I tried. I still loved her deeply, and felt guilty that by falling in love with Soon-Yi I had put her in the position of being used as a pawn for revenge. Soon-Yi and I made countless attempts to see Dylan but Mia blocked them all, spitefully knowing how much we both loved her but totally indifferent to the pain and damage she was causing the little girl merely to appease her own vindictiveness.

    Here I quote Moses Farrow, 14 at the time: “My mother drummed it into me to hate my father for tearing apart the family and sexually molesting my sister.” Moses is now 36 years old and a family therapist by profession. “Of course Woody did not molest my sister,” he said. “She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him.” Dylan was 7, Ronan 4, and this was, according to Moses, the steady narrative year after year.

    I pause here for a quick word on the Ronan situation. Is he my son or, as Mia suggests, Frank Sinatra’s? Granted, he looks a lot like Frank with the blue eyes and facial features, but if so what does this say? That all during the custody hearing Mia lied under oath and falsely represented Ronan as our son? Even if he is not Frank’s, the possibility she raises that he could be, indicates she was secretly intimate with him during our years. Not to mention all the money I paid for child support. Was I supporting Frank’s son? Again, I want to call attention to the integrity and honesty of a person who conducts her life like that.

    NOW it’s 21 years later and Dylan has come forward with the accusations that the Yale experts investigated and found false. Plus a few little added creative flourishes that seem to have magically appeared during our 21-year estrangement.

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    Not that I doubt Dylan hasn’t come to believe she’s been molested, but if from the age of 7 a vulnerable child is taught by a strong mother to hate her father because he is a monster who abused her, is it so inconceivable that after many years of this indoctrination the image of me Mia wanted to establish had taken root? Is it any wonder the experts at Yale had picked up the maternal coaching aspect 21 years ago? Even the venue where the fabricated molestation was supposed to have taken place was poorly chosen but interesting. Mia chose the attic of her country house, a place she should have realized I’d never go to because it is a tiny, cramped, enclosed spot where one can hardly stand up and I’m a major claustrophobe. The one or two times she asked me to come in there to look at something, I did, but quickly had to run out. Undoubtedly the attic idea came to her from the Dory Previn song, “With My Daddy in the Attic.” It was on the same record as the song Dory Previn had written about Mia’s betraying their friendship by insidiously stealing her husband, André, “Beware of Young Girls.” One must ask, did Dylan even write the letter or was it at least guided by her mother? Does the letter really benefit Dylan or does it simply advance her mother’s shabby agenda? That is to hurt me with a smear. There is even a lame attempt to do professional damage by trying to involve movie stars, which smells a lot more like Mia than Dylan.

    After all, if speaking out was really a necessity for Dylan, she had already spoken out months earlier in Vanity Fair. Here I quote Moses Farrow again: “Knowing that my mother often used us as pawns, I cannot trust anything that is said or written from anyone in the family.” Finally, does Mia herself really even believe I molested her daughter? Common sense must ask: Would a mother who thought her 7-year-old daughter was sexually abused by a molester (a pretty horrific crime), give consent for a film clip of her to be used to honor the molester at the Golden Globes?

    Of course, I did not molest Dylan. I loved her and hope one day she will grasp how she has been cheated out of having a loving father and exploited by a mother more interested in her own festering anger than her daughter’s well-being. Being taught to hate your father and made to believe he molested you has already taken a psychological toll on this lovely young woman, and Soon-Yi and I are both hoping that one day she will understand who has really made her a victim and reconnect with us, as Moses has, in a loving, productive way. No one wants to discourage abuse victims from speaking out, but one must bear in mind that sometimes there are people who are falsely accused and that is also a terribly destructive thing. (This piece will be my final word on this entire matter and no one will be responding on my behalf to any further comments on it by any party. Enough people have been hurt.)

      

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    Logan
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    I’m skeptical – is there ever a practical time to molest a 7-year-old? He’s a talented writer so the trouble is that it’s not unlikely that, even if guilty, he could come up with a logical and dramatic defense, but his reputation is hurt and that’s just the way it is.

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    Riley
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    Well, that was convincing.

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    Scottferguson
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    The problem is that there are often many “practical” times for this sort of behavior – because children are so vulnerable. Pedophiles I assume are furtive and secretive – his point that he was visiting post the Soon-Yi relationship having become known and going under closely-observed circumstances would make the idea that someone who also has zero other record of this (pedophilia by definition means pre-pubescent children) to somehow decide now was the moment to act on an impulse harder to believe.

    I just think between Moses Farrow’s statements about how much Mia tried to brainwash him, the lack of evidence of other similar behavior on Allen’s part, and other evidence he presents and has been out earlier, the preponderance of evidence is in his favor. But yes, if Farrow’s (Mia’s) motivation was to damage him, she has succeeded to some extent. 

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    Logan
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    –though there is zero record of that behavior on Woody’s behalf, where is the history of Mia Farrow as this vindictive, brain-washing, threatening psycho? I’m pretty sure she even maintained positive relationships with her ex-husbands. Moses is (as of now) the only one of her kids to say this about her, while the others have come to her defense and said that their mother was nothing less than great – and they’re (successful) adults too.

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