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  • SayMyName
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    This thread is dedicated for dearest Sasha. 🙂

    Hello. Which are the performances who were nominated or submitted in the lead races and were actually supporting roles?

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    Helen Mirren in The Last Station
    She’s most definitely the central female performance of the film. But is she really a lead? I feel like the only true lead of the film was James McAvoy.

    Marion Cotillard in Nine
    It’s a shame they wanted her to compete in lead. She has no business in that category and should have been nominated in supporting. Yes, she has two musical numbers in the film, but her lack of screen time is still a problem.

    Viola Davis in The Help
    Once again, we can make a case about her being lead, but I think the clear lead was Emma Stone. However it’s also better to be nominated in lead, than fraud yourself and win in supporting as deserving as it is (Fences).

    Emily Blunt in Into the Woods
    They wanted that Oscar nomination for Streep, and sacrificed Blunt’s nomination by sending her to lead. It’s an ensemble piece, I don’t think that anyone is really lead.

    Keira Knightley in Atonement
    Once again, she was the most well-known female performer of the film. But some claim that she should have been in supporting. Even winning that category.

    What do you think? Who are your choices?

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    ENGLAND
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    Meryl Streep in “Prada.”

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    ENGLAND
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    Two OUTSTANDING performances is Anthony Hopkins “Silence” and Forest Whitaker “Last King.”

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    Ciarán Lincoln Dunne
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    Viola Davis was arguably a co-lead in Fences
    As was Alicia Vikander in The Danish Girl

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    jasonface
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    While I wouldn’t necessarily relegate all of these to supporting myself, the argument that most of these are glorified secondary roles whose film had a different lead elsewhere could be made.

    Cicely Tyson, Sounder
    Paul Winfield, Sounder
    Marlon Brando, The Godfather
    Faye Dunaway, Chinatown
    Valerie Perrine, Lenny
    Ann-Margret, Tommy
    Louise Fletcher, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
    Peter Finch, Network
    Talia Shire, Rocky
    Gerladine Page, Interiors
    Susan Sarandon, Atlantic City
    Michael Douglas, Wall Street
    Meryl Streep, Ironweed
    Frances McDormand, Fargo
    Nicole Kidman, The Hours
    Daniel Day-Lewis, Gangs of New York
    Kate Winslet, The Reader
    Jennifer Lawrence, Silver Linings Playbook
    Naomi Watts, The Impossible
    Steve Carell, Foxcatcher

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    LaChienne
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    Keira Knightley was definitely supporting in Atonement. It was Briony’s story from the beginning — literally. But I could see Saoirse Ronan being relegated to supporting in a Dev Patel fashion as she portrayed only one part of Briony’s life.

    I agree with jasonface’s list aside from Frances McDormand in Fargo — she was unarguably lead IMO.

    The ballsiest example I can think of is Patricia Neal in Hud, whose borderline role has some saying she was lead while others arguing she was supporting, but she went for lead and even won the Oscar. I personally consider her supporting.

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    M H
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    The clearest example among winners is probably Anthony Hopkins.

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    Andrew Carden
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    Tough to top Patricia Neal on this. Another, more obscure one – Anthony Franciosa in A Hatful of Rain.

    OSCAR FLASHBACK: 20 Years of Streep (1988) – A Cry in the Dark

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    Honey
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    I still believe Naomi Watts is supporting in The Impossible. She practically goes MIA in the later half of the movie and it shifts towards Tom Holland’s character while Tom Holland’s character is still very present throughout the whole film.

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    I agree with jasonface’s list aside from Frances McDormand in Fargo — she was unarguably lead IMO.

    Fargo would be the same movie without her character’s involvement.

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    james14
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    Lead Actor with Lowest Percentage of Screentime

    1. Anthony Hopkins, The Silence of the Lambs (21.0%)
    2. Maximillian Schell, Judgment at Nuremberg (22.0%)
    3. Marlon Brando, The Godfather (22.9%)
    4. David Niven, Separate Tables (23.7%)
    5. Peter Finch, Network (27.5%)
    6. Geoffrey Rush, Shine (29.8%)
    7. William Holden, Stalag 17 (31.3%)
    8. Michael Douglas, Wall Street (32.2%)
    9. Lee Marvin, Cat Ballou (32.4%)
    10. Forest Whitaker, The Last King of Scotland (34.7%)

    Lead Actress with Lowest Percentage of Screentime

    1. Louise Fletcher, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (17.0%)
    2. Luise Rainer, The Great Ziegfeld (19.3%)
    3. Patricia Neal, Hud (19.6%)
    4. Nicole Kidman, The Hours (20.5%)
    5. Frances McDormand, Fargo (27.0%)
    6. Simon Signoret, Room at the Top (33.0%)
    7. Julie Andrews, Mary Poppins (33.5%)
    8. Kate Winslet, The Reader (33.9%)
    9. Reese Witherspoon, Walk the Line (34.2%)
    10. Faye Dunaway, Network (34.7%)

    Shortest Nominated Lead Performances, by Percentage

    1. Spencer Tracy, San Francisco (13.0%)
    2. Louise Fletcher, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (17.0%)
    3. Deborah Kerr, From Here to Eternity (17.4%)
    4. Simone Signoret, Ship of Fools (18.1%)
    5. Greer Garson, Goodbye Mr. Chips (19.2%)
    6. Luise Rainer, The Great Ziegfeld (19.3%)
    7. Walter Huston, The Devil and Daniel Webster (19.5%)
    8. Eleanor Parker, Detective Story (19.5%)
    9. Patricia Neal, Hud (19.6%)
    10. Trevor Howard, Sons and Lovers (19.7%)

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    SayMyName
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    Wow thank you so much! Do we know Helen Mirren’s screen time in The Last Station?

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    james14
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    If anyone wants the inverse – longest Oscar-nominated Supporting performances (by percentage length).

    1. Gene Hackman, I Never Sang for My Father (74.0%)
    2. Charles Coburn, The Devil and Miss Jones (73.1%)
    3. Randy Quaid, The Last Detail (68.0%)
    4. John Ireland, All the King’s Men (66.8%)
    5. Tatum O’Neal, Paper Moon (65.5%)
    6. Don Murray, Bus Stop (64.5%)
    7. Patty Duke, The Miracle Worker (61.7%)
    8. Ethan Hawke, Training Day (61.0%)
    9. Roland Young, Topper (59.9%)
    10. Rooney Mara, Carol (59.7%)

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    james14
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    One last list! Top Ten times when a nominated Supporting performance was longer than the corresponding nominated Lead performance.

    1. Timothy Hutton over Mary Tyler Moore, Ordinary People (32 min, 18 sec)
    2. Al Pacino over Marlon Brando, The Godfather (26 min, 12 sec)
    3. Gene Hackman over Melvyn Douglas, I Never Sang for My Father (24 min, 0 sec)
    4. Melvyn Douglas over Patricia Neal, Hud (19 min, 30 sec)
    5. Robert Strauss over William Holden, Stalag 17 (19 min, 2 sec)
    6. Diane Varsi over Lana Turner, Peyton Place (11 min, 31 sec)
    7. John Ireland over Broderick Crawford, All the King’s Men (10 min, 57 sec)
    8. Hailee Steinfeld over Jeff Bridges, True Grit (10 min, 38 sec)
    9. Haing S. Ngor over Sam Waterston, The Killing Field (6 min, 5 sec)
    10. Rooney Mara over Cate Blanchett, Carol (5 min, 52 sec)

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    SayMyName
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    If anyone wants the inverse – longest Oscar-nominated Supporting performances (by percentage length). 1. Gene Hackman, I Never Sang for My Father (74.0%) 2. Charles Coburn, The Devil and Miss Jones (73.1%) 3. Randy Quaid, The Last Detail (68.0%) 4. John Ireland, All the King’s Men (66.8%) 5. Tatum O’Neal, Paper Moon (65.5%) 6. Don Murray, Bus Stop (64.5%) 7. Patty Duke, The Miracle Worker (61.7%) 8. Ethan Hawke, Training Day (61.0%) 9. Roland Young, Topper (59.9%) 10. Rooney Mara, Carol (59.7%)

    Shocked by no Alicia Vikander here.

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