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  • Münster
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    For a long time I’ve been a defender of the awards when it comes to racial diversity. I didn’t agree with those who blamed the AMPAS for the lack of recognition for actors of ethnic minority, because there’s nothing they can do about studios refusing to cast or push actors of a minority race.

    However, every once in a while, a golden opportunity presents itself, and the awards bodies simply pass on it for no good reason. There’s no better example than Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. The most successful foreign language film in US history, featuring two of the most powerful and complex heroines in film history, exquisitely portrayed by Michelle Yeoh and Zhang Ziyi. The film got 10 nominations, embraced by all branches but shut out by the acting branch. It wouldn’t be much of a shocker if they were simply contenders missing out in a tight race, but it doesn’t seem like they were even seriously in the running. Besides nods from BAFTA, which historically is on the more accepting side, the actors didn’t get any recognition from major award bodies. It defies logic.

    What are your thoughts? Why do you think two brilliant performances from a beloved film went hideously ignored? Can anyone recall what the discussion was like back in the 2000 awards season?

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    My opinion is that no one cares about Asian actors in Hollywood. All they care about is this black and white issue, when they talking about racism, all they see is nasty white people against black people, and they don’t see anyone else outside of them. Which is a shame. I cannot recall a bad performance by an Asian artist, like ever. They are so elegant and beautiful, and actresses like Ziyi and Michelle are way overdue for a few Oscar nominations.

    But yes. It’s all about the casting. The Studios are shit. They should give more worthy roles to Asians (not the weird, confused Asian who’s trying to explain something with hand movements kind of lame stereotype) and Black people (I would like to see a movie with black performers, without all the bitching about racism and slavery – for example, “Fruitvale Station” was a perfection. “Won’t Back Down” too) and other minorities.

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    babypook
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    Lust/Caution. I detested aspects of this film, but Tony Leung and Wei Tang are magnificent.

    The Last Emporer. Wins BP, but nada for the great Joan Chen and John Lone.

    John Wayne plays Genghis Kahn. He payed for this with his life btw.

    Ricardo Montalban plays a master Kabuki dancer, eye-pieces and all.

    Luise Rainer plays the iconic character, O-lan from The Good Earth, and wins.

    CTHD is a terrific example.

    Yul Brynner plays the King of Siam, and wins.

    There are just so many examples.

    Also, super-heros are caucasians almost exclusively. Let’s have some diversity across all genres shall we? These kinds of films can make scads of moolah, which is essential in opening a few doors. Perhaps blast them open.

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    My opinion is that no one cares about Asian actors in Hollywood. All they care about is this black and white issue, when they talking about racism, all they see is nasty white people against black people, and they don’t see anyone else outside of them. Which is a shame. I cannot recall a bad performance by an Asian artist, like ever. They are so elegant and beautiful, and actresses like Ziyi and Michelle are way overdue for a few Oscar nominations.

    But yes. It’s all about the casting. The Studios are shit. They should give more worthy roles to Asians (not the weird, confused Asian who’s trying to explain something with hand movements kind of lame stereotype) and Black people (I would like to see a movie with black performers, without all the bitching about racism and slavery – for example, “Fruitvale Station” was a perfection. “Won’t Back Down” too) and other minorities.

    You are gleefully ignorant.

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    My opinion is that no one cares about Asian actors in Hollywood. All they care about is this black and white issue, when they talking about racism, all they see is nasty white people against black people, and they don’t see anyone else outside of them. Which is a shame.

    I agree with this.

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    babypook
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    Jeong-hi Yun; Poetry

    Hye-ja Kim, Mother

    Two egregious omissions. So many others.

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    Malick
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    The statistics illustrate a disturbing trend. It would be understandable

    if one believed AMPAS were racist against Asians. In order to curb the
    current norm, narrow perspectives would need to widen. Unfortunately for
    the past 80+ years Hollywood has been in the business of primarily
    rewarding Caucasian individuals. An inter-generational lie has created
    the belief that minorities can’t lead the box office. And more than any
    other race, Asian actors have had to face the brunt of this lie. A
    short-term remedy would involve directors with immense clout pushing for

    Asian individuals to be cast in pivotal roles (although the role ultimately went to a white actress, it would be similar to the way
    Alfonso Cuaron pushed hard for a female to be the lead in “Gravity”).
    Additionally, if lauded Asian performances were critically willed into
    the realm of possibility (think Boyhood and Winter’s Bone among others)
    an overall shift in the focus of what will or won’t be nominated could
    occur. Thereafter it just might become the norm to see Asian individuals
    cited and rewarded for their acting prowess. Under the current system
    Michelle, Ziyi, Yun-Fat, Pei-Pei and Chen never stood a chance. But they
    all should have been nominated, imo. And of course there are countless
    others, but it would take forever to name them all.

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    I agree with this.

    Hollywood is an American institution. Racism in America is black and white. Black people will vocalize their feelings of being marginalized. 

    Asian Americans do not speak out enough. They are more reserved on issues concerning racial bias against them. Because of that they are invisible to the greater conversation we have on racial diversity in the media. Hollywood listens when people make enough noise. Where is the noise coming from in the Asian community?

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    My opinion is that no one cares about Asian actors in Hollywood. All they care about is this black and white issue, when they talking about racism, all they see is nasty white people against black people, and they don’t see anyone else outside of them. Which is a shame. I cannot recall a bad performance by an Asian artist, like ever. They are so elegant and beautiful, and actresses like Ziyi and Michelle are way overdue for a few Oscar nominations.

    But yes. It’s all about the casting. The Studios are shit. They should give more worthy roles to Asians (not the weird, confused Asian who’s trying to explain something with hand movements kind of lame stereotype) and Black people (I would like to see a movie with black performers, without all the bitching about racism and slavery – for example, “Fruitvale Station” was a perfection. “Won’t Back Down” too) and other minorities.

    Slavery is a huge part of American history and movies about slavery are very important. There are a boat load of films on the Holocuast that were incredible made so why can’t there be films about slavery. 12 Years a Slave is one of the best films on US Slavery that the world has seen in a very long time. Fruitvale Station is about murder.

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    I would have loved for the cast of Crotching Tiger to get nominated but I cant remember when/if he academy gave mutiple acting nods for a foreign Language film. Maggie Cheung is one of the greatest living actresses period and thats because of the huge film market in Asia.

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    [quote=”Vincelette”]My opinion is that no one cares about Asian actors in Hollywood. All they care about is this black and white issue, when they talking about racism, all they see is nasty white people against black people, and they don’t see anyone else outside of them. Which is a shame. I cannot recall a bad performance by an Asian artist, like ever. They are so elegant and beautiful, and actresses like Ziyi and Michelle are way overdue for a few Oscar nominations.

    But yes. It’s all about the casting. The Studios are shit. They should give more worthy roles to Asians (not the weird, confused Asian who’s trying to explain something with hand movements kind of lame stereotype) and Black people (I would like to see a movie with black performers, without all the bitching about racism and slavery – for example, “Fruitvale Station” was a perfection. “Won’t Back Down” too) and other minorities.

    Slavery is a huge part of American history and movies about slavery are very important. There are a boat load of films on the Holocuast that were incredible made so why can’t there be films about slavery. 12 Years a Slave is one of the best films on US Slavery that the world has seen in a very long time. Fruitvale Station is about murder.

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    Yeah it’s an important issue. Also, it’s quite boring after the 100th movie which dealing with the issue. I mentioned “Fruitvale Station” as a good example, where black actors leading the movie, but it’s not about racism. Like some of you called me racist, when all I wanted to say is that I prefer to see more and more black actors with the RIGHT MATERIAL. It’s not okay that they can only get attention for their performances if they playing an important role in an important movie about slavery. They are much better than that. I was so hateful towards Viola Davis a  year ago, but she kinda shocked me in “Won’t Back Down” – finally, it wasn’t about her crying over racism, it was about a mother who’s trying to do the best for her son. No one cared about her race. Because it wasn’t important. What mattered was the story and her performance which were both equally breathtaking. Let’s give worthy material to everyone!

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    [quote=”ENGLAND”]

    [quote=”Vincelette”]My opinion is that no one cares about Asian actors in Hollywood. All they care about is this black and white issue, when they talking about racism, all they see is nasty white people against black people, and they don’t see anyone else outside of them. Which is a shame. I cannot recall a bad performance by an Asian artist, like ever. They are so elegant and beautiful, and actresses like Ziyi and Michelle are way overdue for a few Oscar nominations.

    But yes. It’s all about the casting. The Studios are shit. They should give more worthy roles to Asians (not the weird, confused Asian who’s trying to explain something with hand movements kind of lame stereotype) and Black people (I would like to see a movie with black performers, without all the bitching about racism and slavery – for example, “Fruitvale Station” was a perfection. “Won’t Back Down” too) and other minorities.

    Slavery is a huge part of American history and movies about slavery are very important. There are a boat load of films on the Holocuast that were incredible made so why can’t there be films about slavery. 12 Years a Slave is one of the best films on US Slavery that the world has seen in a very long time. Fruitvale Station is about murder.

    [/quote]

    Yeah it’s an important issue. Also, it’s quite boring after the 100th movie which dealing with the issue. I mentioned “Fruitvale Station” as a good example, where black actors leading the movie, but it’s not about racism. Like some of you called me racist, when all I wanted to say is that I prefer to see more and more black actors with the RIGHT MATERIAL. It’s not okay that they can only get attention for their performances if they playing an important role in an important movie about slavery. They are much better than that. I was so hateful towards Viola Davis a  year ago, but she kinda shocked me in “Won’t Back Down” – finally, it wasn’t about her crying over racism, it was about a mother who’s trying to do the best for her son. No one cared about her race. Because it wasn’t important. What mattered was the story and her performance which were both equally breathtaking. Let’s give worthy material to everyone![/quote]

    Its unfair that you feel slavery movies should not be made. There are films on World War 2 and the holocuast almost ever year being made. Whats the last film on slavery that was good besides the made up “Django Unchained”?

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    You guys have made me want to watch Crouching Tiger again!!  I loved Michelle Yeoh; she was devastating in this movie.  Wonderful performance and sincere, should have been nominated.  That ending, so crushing.

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    You guys have made me want to watch Crouching Tiger again!!  I loved Michelle Yeoh; she was devastating in this movie.  Wonderful performance and sincere, should have been nominated.  That ending, so crushing.

    Michelle Yeoh was my winner fot the year. Im so hurt by her snub. But then again she had tough competition from another ICONIC Chinese actress, Maggie Cheung for “In The Mood For Love”.

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    [quote=”Vincelette”][quote=”ENGLAND”]

    [quote=”Vincelette”]My opinion is that no one cares about Asian actors in Hollywood. All they care about is this black and white issue, when they talking about racism, all they see is nasty white people against black people, and they don’t see anyone else outside of them. Which is a shame. I cannot recall a bad performance by an Asian artist, like ever. They are so elegant and beautiful, and actresses like Ziyi and Michelle are way overdue for a few Oscar nominations.

    But yes. It’s all about the casting. The Studios are shit. They should give more worthy roles to Asians (not the weird, confused Asian who’s trying to explain something with hand movements kind of lame stereotype) and Black people (I would like to see a movie with black performers, without all the bitching about racism and slavery – for example, “Fruitvale Station” was a perfection. “Won’t Back Down” too) and other minorities.

    Slavery is a huge part of American history and movies about slavery are very important. There are a boat load of films on the Holocuast that were incredible made so why can’t there be films about slavery. 12 Years a Slave is one of the best films on US Slavery that the world has seen in a very long time. Fruitvale Station is about murder.

    [/quote]

    Yeah it’s an important issue. Also, it’s quite boring after the 100th movie which dealing with the issue. I mentioned “Fruitvale Station” as a good example, where black actors leading the movie, but it’s not about racism. Like some of you called me racist, when all I wanted to say is that I prefer to see more and more black actors with the RIGHT MATERIAL. It’s not okay that they can only get attention for their performances if they playing an important role in an important movie about slavery. They are much better than that. I was so hateful towards Viola Davis a  year ago, but she kinda shocked me in “Won’t Back Down” – finally, it wasn’t about her crying over racism, it was about a mother who’s trying to do the best for her son. No one cared about her race. Because it wasn’t important. What mattered was the story and her performance which were both equally breathtaking. Let’s give worthy material to everyone![/quote]

    Its unfair that you feel slavery movies should not be made. There are films on World War 2 and the holocuast almost ever year being made. Whats the last film on slavery that was good besides the made up “Django Unchained”?

    [/quote]

    Nope. I’m not saying that, I only say that for black people, it’s not right to have only this as a material to work with. They need other type of roles as well. And you are totally right. There are tons of issues which are on topic each year. It’s boring as well. I want to see the Oscars rewarding nice little movies like “Chef” finally! Not only, movies about important issues and stuff like that. It’s really great that people keep doing films on the issues, but sometimes it’s like you are seeing the same movie all over again. Like Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. We’ve seen that in documentaries, other films already – what was the point of making another 9/11 story happen?

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