Did Argo and Zero Dark Thirty cancel each other out for Director?

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  • Daniel B.
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    While I still find the omission of Ben Affleck and Kathryn Bigelow from the Oscars’ Best Director lineup, after further thought, I may have come up with a possible explanation of how the snubs happened on both parts, and how it affects the Best Picture race.  Please correct me if I am wrong about any of this information:

    In the Best Picture race, voters nominate films with a preferential ballot, with their #1 picks carrying the most weight, and #2 votes being used in the event that their #1 pick either has enough votes to make the Best Picture lineup, or not enough support and thus taken out of contention.

    My guess is that Affleck’s Argo and Bigelow’s Zero Dark Thirty have a lot of the same supporters. Most people who have Argo at #1 on their ballot probably have Zero Dark Thirty not far behind, and vice versa.  In the process to determine the Best Picture nominees, the strong, yet divided support between the two films benefit each other.  In the Best Director category however, would be a much different story.

    Again, correct me if I am wrong, but in the nomination process for Best Director, voters can only choose one film to nominate.  So perhaps strong supporters of Argo and Zero Dark Thirty split the #1 votes, and neither had more than enough to topple the amount of #1 supporters for Beasts of the Southern Wild or Amour.

    Another possible explanation as to why Benh Zeitlin and Michael Haneke got into the directing category for Beasts and Amour respectively over Affleck and Bigelow is that Zeitlin and Haneke were able to take either relatively unknown actors or even non-actors and bring out award-worthy performances, rather than Affleck and Bigelow’s potentially seeming less challenging ability of bringing out award-worthy performances from actors who have already proven to be award-worthy in previous films from different actors.  Also, the actors’ branch may have more support for films like Argo and Zero Dark Thirty, who have more well-known respected actors, but the actors aren’t the ones who vote for Best Director.

    Because of the preferential balloting system when determining Best Picture, and the support from the actors’ branch, Argo and Zero could theoretically both end up with more support than any other films nominated.  However, with the snubs in the directing field, voters may feel they are tossing their votes away if they don’t think Argo or Zero Dark Thirty can win, and put their true third pick in the top position on their ballot.

    The preferential ballot system for Best Picture is still relatively new, so perhaps the no-director-nomination, no-Best Picture-win rule doesn’t carry as much weight as it did before?

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    I think the torture controversy hurt Bigelow’s chance at the nod, plus the fact that she was the first female to win Director. They were not going to nominate her again. I just think the Academy is biased against Affleck. ever since he won for Good Will Hunting, he has never been nominated. Not for acting or directing.

    I know it’s ridiculous claims, but it is clear the Academy is bias. Look at Django. The actor that gets nominated isn’t the evil slave owner, or the slave, it’s the good white guy, who frees the slave, and hates slavery.  In The Sessions, the woman that gets naked gets the nod, not the disabled man.

    Many people were already predicting Haneke. But in Zeitlin’s case, I have zero idea how we got in. Seems the voters that voted for Beasts included him as the top director. I honestly have no idea how Bigelow and Affleck were snubbed. They just put their own personal politics and bias in front of the actual filmmaking.

     

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    babypook
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    Did they ‘cancel’ one another out? I personally dont think so.
    There’s still that other, nationalistic cheerleading film, which I still think has the edge to win,

    As for Zeitlin, the guy managed to create a film for a million and one half dollars, with an unknown little girl who leads the film. How remarkable.
    The guy was living in his car. More than any of the high-profile directors in contention,  I’m thrilled he was cited.

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    Sure, Zeitlin made a film for cheap, but so does every hipster at Sundance every year, doesn’t mean he deserves to get in.

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    Riley
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    I have a problem with the assumption that Argo and Zero Dark Thirty have the same supporters.  I think that more solid cases can be made for Lincoln and Argo having the same supporters or Zero Dark Thirty having the same supporters as Amour and Beasts of the Southern Wild.

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    jmil
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     Zeitlin deserves to be in best director as much as Affleck and Bigelow.  I would hope posters don’t take their anger out on him.  He did an amazing job on the film, and he deserves the nomination as much as the previous two directors I mentioned above.

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    allabout oscars
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    You guys all know  that ONLY academy member
    DIRECTORS vote for best director..We are talking about
    possibly 275-300 members only…thats a category that
    has always, year after year, surprised and shocked on
    nomination day….People used to say it was a mans
    group so female directors took forever to get
    into the club and as far as winning an oscar..
    it couldve pissed them off as to NOT vote for Bigelow.
    IMO..she made a great film, but the genre is something
    she ahs done before…As far as AFFLECK, who knows?
    Maybe he might be an actor/ director with talent
    but he is  still young (40)…I dont think there was any
    underhandedness with the outcome..I do believe
    that Spielberg will win this Oscar…now it seems a
    bit easier for him..

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    Benedick
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    I think the nominees in this category demonstrate how much passion and #1 votes are a factor in landing a nomination. I can imagine there being more diehard supporters of Beasts and Amour, (and even Silver Linings and Life of Pi), than of Argo and Zero Dark Thirty – which may have ended up as #2 or #3 on a lot of ballots, respected for their cool, sharp craftsmanship, but not loved. That is not to disparage them, just an observation on the type of films they are and the sorts of reactions they seem to have engendered.

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    Cordell Martin
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    I agree with you Benedick! I think people who really loved Amour, Silver Linings  Playbook and Beasts made sure to put their #1 support behind it. Heck maybe people thought Affleck and Bigelow would be locks and focused on other films that needed the #1 votes. 

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    babypook
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    Sure, Zeitlin made a film for cheap, but so does every hipster at Sundance every year, doesn’t mean he deserves to get in.

    Zeitlin does a far, far more creative job than the guy who has Clooney in his corner. He’s in. The other guy is out. I suppose, directors know a tad more about ‘directing’ than some of we others……ah-hahahaha!

    Evil laugh is aimed at this year’s Oscar herds btw….

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    babypook
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    You guys all know  that ONLY academy member
    DIRECTORS vote for best director..We are talking about
    possibly 275-300 members only…thats a category that
    has always, year after year, surprised and shocked on
    nomination day….People used to say it was a mans
    group so female directors took forever to get
    into the club and as far as winning an oscar..
    it couldve pissed them off as to NOT vote for Bigelow.
    IMO..she made a great film, but the genre is something
    she ahs done before…As far as AFFLECK, who knows?
    Maybe he might be an actor/ director with talent
    but he is  still young (40)…I dont think there was any
    underhandedness with the outcome..I do believe
    that Spielberg will win this Oscar…now it seems a
    bit easier for him..

    aao! The letters I’ve received from Bigelow fans are all about her breasts, misogyny, and on these boards, something about a ‘smear’ campaign.
    As for Benjamina, perhaps they saw the same film that I did.

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