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  • Bird
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    It seems like every year a foreign language film or two are able to get a nomination in a category other than Foreign Language Film. Last year not many people were predicting this to happen and then come nomination morning, Two Days, One Night managed a best actress nom for Marion Cotillard and Ida managed a cinematography nom. For the four years prior (Though the trend goes beyond just these years) we had:
    2013- The Grandmaster: Cinematography, Costumes
    2012- Amour: Picture, Director, Actress, Original Screnplay
    2011- A Seperation: Original Screenplay
    2010- Biutiful: Actor for Javier Bardem

    This year again there does not seem to be many people predicting a nomination for a foreign language film outside of its own category. I believe history tells us that there will be a nomination so the questions become “How many?”, “Which film(s)?”, and “Which categories?”.

    I believe the strongest possibility will come from Son of Saul. It’s a tremendous film and it really is the only film Sony Classics have to campaign with. Right now I think the possibilities in descending order of likelyhood would be:

    Soundmixing- The sound is used to horrifying affect throughout the film and has been often mentioned in reviews of the film. Also I had a chance to meet one of the publicists for Sony Classics and it sounded like they were going to be pushing hard for the soundmixing nom.

    Cinematography- The long shots of Saul Moving around, consistently remaining in Medium Close Up on Saul, shows incredible technique. Also the Cinematography category is very friendly to foreign films with Ida, The Grandmaster, The White Ribbon, and The Diving Bell and the Butterfly all recieving a nomination in the past decade. The only downside is that this year looks like its going to be a bloodbath in the cinematography category.

    Original Screenplay- The Screenplay categories are also quite friendly to foreign language films with Amour, A Seperation, The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Pan’s Labyrinth, and Letters from Iwo Jima all getting noms. The problem here is that I think three of the spots are filled up already locked up and there seems to be 5-6 films fighting for those last two spots.

    Director- The directors branch usually has one or two slots that go to visionary filmmaking, like Tree of Life and City of God. Son of Saul is very much the work of a visionary director, Laszlo Nemes. However, like cinematography, the category this year seems particularly tough and there may not be room for another visionary with Miller and Inarritu looking like they’re taking those spots.

    Actor- Geza Rohrig gives a heartbraking performance, but he has not gotten much attention in precursers and critics awards. There is still a spot wide open for Actor so he may be able to sneak in.

    The only other possible film I can think of getting a nom would be The Assassin in cinematography.

    Currently I’m predicting Son of Saul to get into cinematography and sound mixing, both of which I am far from confident in predicting.

    So what do you think this years foreign language nom will be? Did I miss any possibilities?

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    Riley
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    If Sony cannot get it together with Son of Saul, this will be their worst year in many, many. I actually think that director is wide open, so I have thrown it in there and in picture. I am just waiting for Carol to fail at ASC and then I can slot it into cinematography too. Sound is of course what it deserves the most, but I do not really see the branch going for it.

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    roger88
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    The Assssin isn’t on the list of AMPAS eligible films, so it’s probably out of consideration for another Oscar Categories.

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    Zooey the Dreamer
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    Will have to edit in “year” when I am off mobile.

    Do you expect Carol to fail to make it into the ASC list? I don’t for a few reasons. They nominated Edward Lachman for Far From Heaven even though the film failed even worse than Carol in terms of guilds’ support. 

    When Atonement was ignored by virtually every other guild, the ASC still nominated it. The ASC is a bit on its own and I can’t really imagine them snubbing CAROL.   

    I’m expecting Richardson to be the weak link for Oscar and I have The Hateful Eight out of screenplay as well.  

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    benutty
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    [quote=”thedemonhog”]

    Will have to edit in “year” when I am off mobile.

    Do you expect Carol to fail to make it into the ASC list? I don’t for a few reasons. They nominated Edward Lachman for Far From Heaven even though the film failed even worse than Carol in terms of guilds’ support. 

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    Agree. The other thing to consider is that Carol was never expected to show up with SAG Ensemble, the PGA loss could be due in large part to the cronyism and a likely bias against two less-regarded female producers, ADG loss was in a very competitive category I think (but still shocking) and it was never going to make it into ACE.

    Lachman is a well-known and well-regarded name in the ASC and Academy branch.

    My bigger concern is Carol being left off of WGA’s list today, even when Room and Brooklyn aren’t even eligible. That’ll be a huge blow. 

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    But on to the topic at hand–I don’t think we’re getting a foreign language film nom anywhere but in their own category this year. The Assassin was the only chance and they didn’t submit themselves into general categories so it’s ineligible in everything. I agree with others that Son of Saul deserves sound noms, but it won’t get them–those categories almost always skew military/music/sci-fi.

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    Denis
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    I think someone from the NY Times called Regina Case (The Second Mother) a nomination lock for best actress, I personally think her performance is as good as Rampley was in 45 years, can’t think of a unknown actress so in comparison, I don’t think a Demian Bichir or whatever kind of nomination will happen here. 

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    Riley
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    [quote=”thedemonhog”]I am just waiting for Carol to fail at ASC and then I can slot it into cinematography too.

    Do you expect Carol to fail to make it into the ASC list? I don’t for a few reasons. They nominated Edward Lachman for Far From Heaven even though the film failed even worse than Carol in terms of guilds’ support.[/quote]No, I predicted that it would get in and Robert Richardson would be the surprise snub for Janusz KamiÅ„ski.  I was right!  I was just hoping that to be wrong and Carol would be the surprise ASC snub because it would have had a harder time coming back from that than The Hateful Eight.  Robert Richardson also missed ASC but got the Oscar nomination for Django Unchained.  The Hateful Eight has visibility issues, which is fine for the Oscars because there is a smaller voting pool there, so that will not be as much of an issue.  Carol being snubbed would have just been further proof that the industry is not responding to it as much as expected.  Anyway, Carol did get in, so Son of Saul holds in sixth place for cinematography.

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    Bird
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    I had a feeling that Son of Saul would only show up in foreign language film, but I was right in that a foreign language film would be nominated somewhere else. The 100 year old Man Who Climbed Out the Window and Disappeared was nominated in best make up, which i predicted last second. 

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    Riley
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    Son of Saul kind of bombed.  Not even those nominations in the secondary categories at DGA and ASC could propel it.  Oh well, at least those nominations indicate a little bit wider support, which is more than we can say for the other nominees, so it should have no problem deservedly winning that one category.

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