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  • Entertain-me
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    Are we still able to create “Best of” lists with all these accusations out? Ala Dustin Hoffman and Kevin Spacey in “Best Performance” lists…etc…?

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    Miles Allen
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    I think acknowledging achievement in a “best of” list is different than celebrating in with awards. People like the performers you mentioned deserve the former but not the latter.

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    I think acknowledging achievement in a “best of” list is different than celebrating in with awards. People like the performers you mentioned deserve the former but not the latter.

    So we CAN acknowledge the work they did? Interesting. Right now, I’ve had a headache for about 2 days straight. This stuff is just working me up in all the worst ways. I want to acknowledge these occurrences and accusations and honor the victims, but I also want to live my own life…but it’s hard when this stuff is all over the sites I frequent day and night. I’m thinking about giving my love for awards sites up altogether…save for maybe Goldderby…?

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    Miles Allen
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    I just think there’s an important distinction that has to be made between celebrating the art and celebrating the artist.

    For example, best of lists are strictly celebrating the art because they honor works. Moreover, award shows honor the artist arguably more than the art because of all the exposure and hooplah of award ceremonies.

    And it’s hard when you want to support the art that an artist who has done questionable things has done because you can feel guilty for supporting it. I get that. But it would be sad to see you leave Goldderby or any other sites because of the current climate in Hollywood.

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    Teridax
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    I just think there’s an important distinction that has to be made between celebrating the art and celebrating the artist.

    For example, best of lists are strictly celebrating the art because they honor works. Moreover, award shows honor the artist arguably more than the art because of all the exposure and hooplah of award ceremonies.

    And it’s hard when you want to support the art that an artist who has done questionable things has done because you can feel guilty for supporting it. I get that. But it would be sad to see you leave Goldderby or any other sites because of the current climate in Hollywood.

    I completely agree with every word of THIS. I personally think that Chinatown is a noir masterpiece and even then I can passionately despise Roman Polanski as an individual. He is for me a disgusting and perverted pedophile… who ALSO made a film that I honestly consider a truly great work of art. It is tough. Woody Allen’s Midnight In Paris is one of the best movie’s of the decade in my opinion, and Blue Jasmine has with Cate Blanchett what may be one of the greatest female performances in all of cinema history. I still believe he raped Dylan Farrow though. I believe any woman who would come out against him. He shows so much damn brilliance at times that it makes it all the more sickening and difficult to accept what a genuinely gross creep he really is. Admiration for great art or even brilliant artists is one thing, but outright idol worship can be VERY dangerous. 🙁

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    I’d say that allegations against an actor should be considered when the actor specifically is being recognized, such as with an Oscar nomination or a ‘best actors of all time’ list. (Note that “actor” can be substituted with “director” and so on).

    That’s mostly where I draw the line. I think that it’s okay to recognize a film as long as the individual “bad actor” isn’t being highlighted. Blanchett’s Blue Jasmine Oscar win shouldn’t be tainted by allegations against Allen because Allen didn’t give the performance or recieve the award. American Beauty can be placed highly on a list of all-time great films, because Spacey alone is not what made the film great; its screenplay, direction, score, and ensemble are all excellent.

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    Entertain-me
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    I’d say that allegations against an actor should be considered when the actor specifically is being recognized, such as with an Oscar nomination or a ‘best actors of all time’ list. (Note that “actor” can be substituted with “director” and so on).

    That’s mostly where I draw the line. I think that it’s okay to recognize a film as long as the individual “bad actor” isn’t being highlighted. Blanchett’s Blue Jasmine Oscar win shouldn’t be tainted by allegations against Allen because Allen didn’t give the performance or recieve the award. American Beauty can be placed highly on a list of all-time great films, because Spacey alone is not what made the film great; its screenplay, direction, score, and ensemble are all excellent.

    I don’t think I’d include Spacey’s work in American Beauty in any kind of list. But his work in The Usual Suspects and House of Cards…great performances at least in part. Damnit! I hate all this. While focused on reality, I can’t help but feel that this is part of some weird dream.

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    Andrew D
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    I think its hard to separate and when we are all surrounding ourselves with awards news and movie info and trying to honor victims and still enjoy art its a challenge … I feel like they need to stop allowing people to get accolades and praise when they have committed crimes.. Roman Polanksi, Woody Allen, Mel Gibson, Chris Brown , Bill Cosby, Bryan Singer, Rkelly … ETC … they should be shunned .. they should have to work very very hard and long to rehabilitate their reputations … anyone in the normal would would have to spend the rest of their lives dealing with their actions … why shouldn’t they

    And with that said i also believe in the Criminal Justice system and believe that crimes should be proven , not just accusations and public judgment.

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    Charlotte Rampling is an astonishing actress. A classic beauty and very sophisticated. But when she pulled the reverse racism card in the name of anti-Blackness, I said fuck you bitch fuck you bitch. Now I am denying myself gems in her filmography because I can no longer goddess worship her.

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    Paul Hardister
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    I think the other thing to keep in mind is that many, many people work hard into making a film. Hundreds, sometimes, thousands. You are supporting them, not just one person.

    Imagine your favorite restaurant. You find out that they had a chef one time that committed murder. Said chef is no longer than and is in jail for life. Do you boycott the restaurant?

    It’s harder when it’s an actor or actress because they are visible on-screen but otherwise, I think it is ok to admire the work of art as time capsule of achievement.

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