Haneke/ Zeitlin or Affleck/ Bigelow for Directing?

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  • Jaffas85
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    The reason it was such a shock that Affleck and Bigelow weren’t nominated for Oscars, and therefore they were “snubbed”, for directing ‘Argo’ and ‘Zero Dark Thirty’ was because they had consistently been nominated for other awards (including DGA) and most people just assumed that the Oscar voters would just fall in line with what other critics/ voting bodies had already decided.

    If you were an Oscar voter, and you were to nominate directing efforts based purely upon quality, instead of who it was expected of you to vote for, would you rather vote for Haneke and/ or Zeitlin or for Affleck and/ or Bigelow based upon their directing efforts? Personally I am happy with Haneke and Zeitlin being nominated for their directing efforts and if I were to say who the sixth person in that line up would have been I would guess it would have been Bigelow. ‘Argo’ was entertaining but I don’t agree with others that it’s a product of one of the year’s best directing efforts.

    I very much applaud the Directing branch for voting for whom they wanted to nominate based upon who they felt had produced the greatest achievement in directing. I’m glad they didn’t fall prey to intellectual laziness and simply ‘coast through the voting process’ by voting for whom everyone expected them to vote for.  

       

      

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    allabout oscars
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    #87871

    meaningless thread at this point.

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    Junk
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    I’d personally go with Heneke/Bigelow/Affleck/Lee/Zietlin and kick out Spielberg and Russell.

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    Morgan Henard
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    I’m happy for Heneke and Zietlin and they both have films to be incredibly proud of. With that said, what Bigelow did in Zero Dark Thirty is a career-milestone. I was telling someone the other day that The Hurt Locker is not her masterpiece; rather, it is Zero Dark Thirty. That is the true Oscar for her. She’s still a nominee, in Best Picture. And also, she has two sitting at home.

    Affleck is an interesting case. His film has made well over $100m in the US alone. The reviews his film received have never been higher. He’s now three-for-three in terms of being a film-director. Unlike Bigelow (unfortunately) he was the talk of Oscar nomination day because he wasn’t nominated. I haven’t seen such a blowup since snubs for The Dark Knight. This is the true Oscar for him. He’s still a nominee, in Best Picture. And also, he has one sitting at home.

    Zietlin has peaked with his first film. He has a lot to live up to now, especially with these accolades. I’m excited to see what will come his way next. Unfortunately, I think the love for Beasts of the Southern Wild will stop with the nominations, as it likely won’t win any. But for a tiny film like this to come out of Sundance and to garner the major nominations it did – including a record-making Lead Actress nom for his now nine-year-old leading lady – it’s already a winner.

    Heneke’s film will for sure be walking away with one Oscar come February 24, in the Foreign Language Film category. And, honestly, I don’t see how he can lose Original Screenplay, with the other four coming with baggage (Zero Dark Thirty being controversial + Boal’s recent win; Django Unchained coming with its controversy + not being Tarantino’s best; Moonrise Kingdom only getting one nomination + being too quirky for some; Flight being too bland and problematic, save for the Visual Effects and Washington’s performance, to really even be here with the other four; I ask, Where in the world is Paul Thomas Anderson?). 

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    Zeitlin didn’t deserve the nomination at all. His next film is reported to be a floow-up to Beasts. He’s a hipster wo got lucky, and he’ll be repeating himself every chance I get. Like somebody else mentioned, he has already peaked.

      I’d throw in PTA, but he wasn’t expected. He desrved to get in over anybody else. I’d also kick out Lee and Spielberg, haven’t seen Amour yet, so I can’t say/ Bigelow probably would have missed anyway due to the controversy.

    I think it would have went down like this:

    1. Ben Affleck
    2. Michael Haneke
    3. Ang Lee
    4. David O. Russell
    5. Steven Spielberg

                

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    dannyboy.
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    #87875

    Wow.. Zeitlan peaked already? Can I get the numbers for Mega Millions while you are at it? Fine to not like Beasts.. That was outlandish.

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    Riley
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    This should have been a poll.

    If I had to choose between Bigelow/Affleck and Zeitlin/Haneke, I would pick the former.  Really though, I would like both Bigelow and Zeitlin in.

    Bigelow directed the best film of the year and Zeitlin brought two amazing performances out of two first-time actors and also made a damn good movie on a shoestring budget, especially considering that it was also his first time directing a feature.

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    Malick
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    #87877

    Zeitlin & Bigelow. Keep out Affleck and kick out Haneke

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    Morgan Henard
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    Wow.. Zeitlan peaked already? Can I get the numbers for Mega Millions while you are at it? Fine to not like Beasts.. That was outlandish.

    My original quote was: Zietlin has peaked with his first film. He has a lot to live up to now, especially with these accolades. 

    I really enjoyed Beasts of the Southern Wild. I gave it an A-. But this is Zeitlin’s first film and he has sort of peaked right off the bat. There is nothing wrong with that at all; it just means more is going to be expected of him. Sort of like Sam Mendes, who came on the scene with American Beauty (divisive here, but not by the Academy’s standards) then followed it up with Road to Perdition, Jarhead, Revolutionary Road, and Away We Go. I enjoyed three of those four (wasn’t a big fan of Jarhead) but think it’s fair to say it was less than I expexted. And then last year. Bam. 007: Skyfall, and he’s back on top. If anything there is more pressure with Zeitlin because he not only directed it but adapted it from the play, and was recognized in the Screenplay category as well. I don’t rank Beasts… number 1 in any of its categories but it isn’t because I dislike it or find it subpar. It’s just simply not the best with its competition. Furthermore, in comparing what Zeitlin did, as a director, to what Affleck and Bigalow did, I have to rank him third. Where I gave Beasts… an A-, I gave Argo and Zero Dark Thirty both an A. (I do rank Zeitlin above Lee and Russell; I have not seen Amour yet.)

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    Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)
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    #87879

    So, you’re saying that ZD30 is better than The Hurt Locker?

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    Max 2.0
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    Wow.. Zeitlan peaked already? Can I get the numbers for Mega Millions while you are at it? Fine to not like Beasts.. That was outlandish.

    Good to know you’re like this in every thread.  

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    dannyboy.
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    Like what specifically?

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    babypook
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    Er, where’s Ang Lee?

    How’s this: Tarantino, Zeitlin, who deserves it more than any of the other monied directors mentioned, and the Tykwer/Wachowski brothers?

    Ben and Kathryn can both bite my ass.

    Odd thread, but it’s been fun posting in here. Hahahaha!

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    Morgan Henard
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    So, you’re saying that ZD30 is better than The Hurt Locker?

    For me, hands down absolutely yes x1000. I just wasn’t a huge fan of The Hurt Locker. Some have dismissed this as “Oh, it’s another Hurt Locker.” Not true at all. If Zero Dark Thirty is “another” Hurt Locker, then Django Unchained might as well be “another” Inglourious Basterds (which I found than Django Unchained). One of the big downfalls of The Hurt Locker, for me, was how poorly developed Jeremy Renner’s character was. I’ve found that the Bigelow-Boal duo do not direct/write character-driven projects; however, the performance Jessica Chastain delivers is leaps and bounds above what Jeremy Renner did, in that he Renner’s character stayed the exact same from beginning to end. Ultimately, Zero Dark Thirty is Kathryn Bigalow’s masterpiece. It’s my third favorite film of the year, behind The Perks of Being a Wallflower and Argo.  

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    I mostly like how it went down with the BAFTAs.  I like that they nominated Tarantino.  It makes me wonder if the Brits are less stuffy than the Academy.  I haven’t seen Amour.  I live in the boonies of the Rocky Mountain West, so it’s not playing anywhere close to me and I doubt it will be before the Oscars, so I can’t really pick it for anything.  I did Redbox Beasts of the Southern Wild a couple of weeks ago.  I didn’t care for it and found it to be a little overrated.  Just my opinion.  It wasn’t that I think Zeitlin didn’t do a good job, I just couldn’t connect with the film at all and have a hard time rooting for it.  I haven’t seen SLP yet. (Bad Amber).  Hopefully this weekend I can go see it.  So based on what I’ve seen this year so far, I would have liked to have seen it go down like this:

    1. Wes Anderson
    2. Quentin Tarantino
    3. Ben Affleck
    4. Kathryn Bigelow
    5. Ang Lee

    I had a hard time deciding between Lee and Spielberg.  I’ll be honest, Life of Pi wasn’t really one of my favorite movies.  I didn’t like the thematic elements of the film, but Ang Lee did a great job with the technical aspects of it, so he deserves accolades for that.  Plus you have to respect Lee for always being able to get out of his comfort zone.  He never seems to direct the same genre twice.  I look at films like The Ice Storm, and Sense and Sensibility, and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, and Brokeback Mountain, and now Life of Pi…and I have to wonder, does this guy get really bored or what?  Because he seems to always be doing something new and nailing it every time.

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