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Hey Oscar voters I know you are in here, do you guys have a pulse? SActress a good place to show it!

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  • montana82
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    One thing that I just don’t understand every season is why all 4 acting categories always seem SO locked up every season with 1 performance just sweeping everything. Especially seeing its very clear now how shady and group think critics groups, the HFPA, and Critics Choice Awards are.  TV fans know SAG voters are clueless about TV why wouldn’t they be similiar clueless about film?  So why follow their lead all the time Oscar voters?  We seem to be there YET again this year with Dicaprio, Larson, Stallone, and Vikander.

    But why? 

    Usually when a performance sweep it means one of 3 things (sometimes all 3 but usually atleast one):

    1. The performance is far and away the best of the 5 and there was critical consensus around them.

    2. The performer is overdue for recognition.

    3. The performer starred in a movie that was really popular with the public.

    Obviously Dicaprio and Stallone make sense for #2-3.  Larson well it’s debateable but she might fall into #1 (I am of the thought that Ronan/Rampling are just as good) but there was a lot of consensus around Brie.

    But Vikander? Vikander?  Can someone please tell me what she falls under?  Why is she heading to lock status?

    Just last week many were predicting Rooney Mara to win at Critics Choice.  So the group that redid their vote to get Star Wars nominated, who has a category called Best Actress in an Action movie, that made Tony Kushner give his speech in a commercial break, all but picked supporting actress for the Oscars?  Messed up, no?

    There was no critical consensus at all around this performance.  Certainly not the film.  It is the worst reviewed film in major contention.  She is certainly not overdue.  And her film has made a very unimpressive 9 million dollars. No one has seen it. And does she really deserve it?  Was this role a stretch for her?  Something new and memorable?  The supportive wife?

    Oh yeah there’s the added factor of both Vikander and Mara commiting arguably the worst cases of category fraud since Casey Affleck in Jesse James. This fact alone should be causing voters to look elsewhere.

    And 4 of the films of the supporting actress nominees other than McAdams underperformed with the Academy.  So there should be no pressure to reward a film like Tilda Swinton who was the Clayton award.

    With the Globes going for Winslet and all these other chinks in this armor there should be no reason for voters to you know, follow the consensus.  They have an opportunity to pull a James Coburn.  An Alan Arkin.  I’m trying to think of any other upsets in the last several years in the acting categories and sadly can’t think of any.  Go off script.  With all the uproar over these nominations…get FRISKY.  Get a pulse!  Go for it!  Pull a jaw dropper.  If ever there was a time to show they have their own mind its here.

    Just look at those 5 performances.  Who really stands out?  Who really gave the most memorable performance?  The best and most unique one?  Who is overdue for recognition?  Whose film was at least seen by more than 10 people?

    Oscar voters, that was Jennifer Jason Leigh in The Hateful Eight.  You know it.  I know it.  Most people deep down know it.

    Just imagine the clips.  Pretty young VIkander looking sympathetically at her husband.  Pretty young Mara looking blank stare sympathetically into Blanchett’s eyes.  Pretty young McAdams, with notepad and pencil in hand, looking sympathetically at a sex abuse victim.  Ok Winslet slugged it up with the wig but will her Polish accent disappear in her Oscar clip too?  And finally Jen Jason Leigh, she don’t want your stinkin’ sympathy! She has been around since the early 80s killing it in roles. She looks devilishly into the eyes of Kurt Russell and says “When you get to hell, tell ’em Daisy sent ya!”.

    I am watching you Oscar voters.  Here’s your chance to show you have your own mind.  Vikander is young.  She is gorgeous.  She will be around many years.  For all the critiques I heard of Hateful Eight it is still far better than Danish Girl.  The ball is in your court.

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    Rooney Moore
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    Lmao, this thread is gold. I’m also wondering what has made Vikander such a lock. Anyone care to explain? A complete no name in a bad-reviewed and financially flopped film? Also your signature is gorgeus!(Esp.last sentence but I’m sorry Emmy voters has failed you on that:( )

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    This post should be in the Supporting Actress thread.

    And I1m predicting Winslet since day. Noname Vikander is not winning shit the way she was not making the cut for Ex Machina playing an idiot robot. Told you. Mark my words and go to the dentist.

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    Also, Winslet is prettier than all the “pretty mentioned” combined. Just sayin’. A real woman. No fake shit. Nice boobs, too. Sorry. You tried.

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    Michael Norris
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    The Danish Girl got decent reviews, IIRC, or at least polarizing. And most of the people who didn’t like it, from what I’ve seen, acknowledge her performance as one of the strongest points. She really made me connect to her character’s struggle, when I easily could’ve ignored her while focusing Eddie Redmayne’s more obvious story. She had to convey a lot of emotions through direct dialogue, indirect dialogue, and even just mannerisms and facial expressions. I would absolutely support the win, apart from the fact that it is a lead performance.

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    Riley
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    Neither Carol nor The Hateful Eight was mailed to SAG.  Steve Jobs was only mailed in the middle of voting.  So that helps Vikander (and McAdams).

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    Rooney Moore
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    …But at the Oscar?

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    Eddy Q
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    This post should be in the Supporting Actress thread.

    And I1m predicting Winslet since day. Noname Vikander is not winning shit the way she was not making the cut for Ex Machina playing an idiot robot. Told you. Mark my words and go to the dentist.

    An idiot robot. Lol. Did you actually watch the f*cking film? Good luck with your Winslet prediction by the way. (Yes I know I was wrong before but that was only the Globes and she wasn’t up against the frauds. That Sorkin won there but was snubbed by Oscar says it all really.)

    Back to the main topic: Of the Supp. Actress Oscar nominees I think Mara gives the finest performance, but if I were an Academy member I’d refuse to vote for such a blatant Harveyism. (I voted for her at #2 for Lead Actress on my GoldDerby ballot.) Of the genuinely supporting performances I agree with the OP that JJL’s is by far the most inspired, even if I am conflicted about the accusations of misogyny aimed at her role in the film. Though if Vikander were nominated for Ex Machina, which is a better performance than the one she gives in The Danish Girl regardless of category, I’d vote for her in a second. 

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    [quote=”Vincelette”]

    This post should be in the Supporting Actress thread.

    And I1m predicting Winslet since day. Noname Vikander is not winning shit the way she was not making the cut for Ex Machina playing an idiot robot. Told you. Mark my words and go to the dentist.

    An idiot robot. Lol. Did you actually watch the f*cking film? Good luck with your Winslet prediction by the way. (Yes I know I was wrong before but that was only the Globes and she wasn’t up against the frauds. That Sorkin won there but was snubbed by Oscar says it all really.)

    Back to the main topic: Of the Supp. Actress Oscar nominees I think Mara gives the finest performance, but if I were an Academy member I’d refuse to vote for such a blatant Harveyism. (I voted for her at #2 for Lead Actress on my GoldDerby ballot.) Of the genuinely supporting performances I agree with the OP that JJL’s is by far the most inspired, even if I am conflicted about the accusations of misogyny aimed at her role in the film. Though if Vikander were nominated for Ex Machina, which is a better performance than the one she gives in The Danish Girl regardless of category, I’d vote for her in a second. 
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    Yes I’ve seen that f*cking film and I f*cking loved it lol and I know that Ava was anything, but an idiot. lol but people were so “sure” about that nomination and I knew it from the start that the Academy ain’t rewarding such out their confront zone character.

    Well I’m predicting Winslet for many reasons, including….
    1. Being an actual supporting
    2. Respected actress
    3. good performance
    4. her speech on Alan Rickman at the London film critics awards
    5. her golden globe win – the Sorkin snub means nothing, Carol got snubbed for Picture, Director and Danish Girl, hateful eight underperformed as well, rachel has no chance
    6. no one on earth is rushing a swedish newcomer an oscar, mara didn’t win shit the whole season, leigh’s character is a turn off to the voters and mccadams is too silent
    7. kate – leo wins the same night, titanic reunion

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    No critical consensus? She was widely considered to be the best part of the movie. This is about the PERFORMANCE. Not the movie. This is the constant complaint I heard when Viola Davis lost the Oscar to Meryl Streep. “The Help was soon much better!” “Why did Streep have to win for an awful movie”. This is Best Supporting Actress, not Best Supporting Actress in the Best Movie. And Steve Jobs flopped hard and was pulled from theatres, so we should just dismiss Kate Winslet from winning too? Awards groups obviously didn’t adore the movie, only recognizing Fassbender and Winslet and the screenplay (which was left off of the Oscars). Why should they just go with Kate Winslet just cause she won the Globe? That makes for even more sheep mentality. And if you actually followed the awards race, Alicia Vikander was dominating the shit out of it for Ex Machina followed by Kristen Stewart for Sils Maria. Neither of those performances were nominated so that’s what makes this race so tough. And let’s not pretend that Rooney Mara was some huge frontrunner. She barely won shit, won maybe two or three minor critics awards? Not to mention the Academy does not go for deeply internalized performances such as hers.

    Based on the critics consensus, I would say…

    1. Vikander, Ex Machina
    2. Stewart, Clouds of Sils Maria
    3. Vikander, The Danish Girl
    4. Winslet, Steve Jobs
    5. Mara, Carol

    But also The Danish Girl is as much of a slop as Steve Jobs in your book. 🙂

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    Rooney Moore
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    But, of course it is easier to be the best part of The Danish Girl than to be the best part of Carol.

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    Why did you have to mention that she was Swedish?

    The way I have to mention that Son of Saul is a Hungarian film and not directed by Steven Spielberg. The American Film Academy is greedy and unless you are not French or British, you doesn’t really have a shot. If Vikander wins, that’s a good step…but still….

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    Steve Jobs was so fucking mediocre, I almost died from the bullshit.

    Yeah it’s not up for BP, is it? -:)

    Btw I already know your Christmas gift. DVD’s….Joy, Steve Jobs, Silver Linings Playbook, American Hustle. And we are going to watch them together.

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    Eddy Q
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    Why did you have to mention that she was Swedish?

    Yeah, Vikander’s nationality is a complete non-factor. As long as you’ve got the right kind of role in an English-language film that’s in contention, you can be from anywhere across the globe and it doesn’t make a difference. Of course winners and nominees are usually American or Euro-centric, but that’s Hollywood.

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    Eddy Q
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    [quote=”TWNickPeek”]

    Why did you have to mention that she was Swedish?

    The way I have to mention that Son of Saul is a Hungarian film and not directed by Steven Spielberg. The American Film Academy is greedy and unless you are not French or British, you doesn’t really have a shot. If Vikander wins, that’s a good step…but still….
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    Son of Saul is, by and large, not an Academy-friendly movie, though it will probably win Foreign Film. The Danish Girl is, even though it didn’t make a lot of the top categories. And the film is British, not Swedish. That’s a far bigger factor than the nationalities of the individuals already nominated. 

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