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    Riley
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    #181939

    Come on, academy, you can do it!

    The Hollywood Reporter is wrong about American Sniper not being a top-five Best Picture nominee.

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    RobertPius
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    Come on, academy, you can do it!

    The Hollywood Reporter is wrong about American Sniper not being a top-five Best Picture nominee.

    Which do you think would be the top 5 if they only did 5? I can’t decide.

    I do hope they go back to 5. It used to be more of a distiction that way too. I used to be able to remember the 5 nominees from each year. Now they all kind of blur together. 

     

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    Atypical
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    #181941

    All of these “changes” are merely window dressing until the real problem is finally addressed, which is the Academy membership itself.

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    Kevin Jacobsen
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    I have mixed feelings on this. I do like the prestige of only having five nominees but we’ve gotten a lot of quirky, interesting Best Picture nominees since they expanded it. I doubt movies like Her, The Tree of Life, Inception, Toy Story 3, Winter’s Bone, Django Unchained, Selma or Whiplash would have been nominated if there were only five nominees. 

    At the same time, it’s pretty easy to rule out like 5-6 nominees each year in terms of the win (last year was only realistically between 12 Years, Gravity and American Hustle, this year only Boyhood and Birdman) so those extra nominees can feel like filler.

    Still, a Best Picture nomination can be a big deal for a lot of smaller movies that get nominated.

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    Riley
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    [quote=”thedemonhog”]The Hollywood Reporter is wrong about American Sniper not being a top-five Best Picture nominee.

    Which do you think would be the top 5 if they only did 5? I can’t decide.[/quote]The Imitation Game was one of only two Best Picture nominees also up for directing, writing, editing and acting.  Plus when it came down to it and it actually had to face American Sniper, The Theory of Everything and Whiplash (in Adapted Screenplay), it won.

    American Sniper missed the Globes, SAG and Critics’ Choice, but once people actually saw it, it hardly missed anything, so I think that that was the reason for its early snubs.  In the end, it got writing, editing and acting.  It missed directing, but it got DGA, which means that it was most likely in sixth place there.

    The Theory of Everything did get SAG ensemble and did extremely well at BAFTA, but it is ultimately too difficult to make a case for it when it missed directing and editing and failed to demonstrate a surplus of support with craft nominations that period pieces often score, as it did at BAFTA.

    Whiplash did win three, but it won each of those for very specific reasons.  And at the end of the say, that we are putting Whiplash, which nobody saw, against American Sniper is kind of crazy.

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    #181944

    While I wouldn’t be against it, they’ve had this rule for quite a bit. Why stop now? I like that the governors’ are mad about this year’s telecast, they need new writers quick.

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    I might be in the minority, but I don’t like this! I love having more nominees. Makes the race more fun in my opinion. I also like smaller films being able to get in, like Whiplash this year which was awesome. This year, the BP nominees were mostly small films that very few members of the general public saw (with the exception of American Sniper). So, saying that expanding the category isn’t helping TV ratings isn’t really relevant to 2015’s telecast. Maybe they should’ve nominated Gone Girl more if they wanted better ratings (and because it would’ve been deserved). It was expected to have worse ratings than 2014’s ceremony because of the absence of Ellen’s vast social media/general media presence and just her presence as a person. Ellen is more widely liked than NPH because of her long-running talk show and she is one of the most beloved celebrities working today. It’s also important for the Academy to remember that correlation does not warrant causation!

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    ^But is it really that fun nominating a bunch of films that have no chance in hell of winning?  Was there really any chance that Whiplash was going to win best picture this year?  I was a fan of the idea of expanding the best picture nominees at first, but now it only seems to serve to create more filler nominees in the best picture category.  In any given year there are really only one or two films at most that are realistically going to win best picture come Oscars night, so what is the point in possibly having 9 or 10 nominees?

    And if I am not mistaken, wasn’t the whole point of expanding the best picture nominees an attempt to allow more popular and well done films that are not traditional Oscar fare a better chance at being nominated?  If I remember correctly much of this was done in a backlash to The Dark Knight being snubbed in 2009.  Or as you mentioned above, Gone Girl is a perfect example of who this expansion was supposed to help. 

    I do not know if this has to do with ratings at all, but if it does than this is not going to help anything.  If the Academy ever wants to really improve the Oscars (or at least the telecast) then they need to make changes to the nomination and voting process, and to whom is doing those, as in the academy members themselves.

     

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    If they are going to have this meeting, go back to a solid 10. I wrote a very heartfelt reasoning why I think this if you want to check it out really explaining why I think 10 is important and 5 is not and 5-10 is most certainly not. Best Picture should represent the year in film. 5 can’t represent a year in film if all you are going to do is nominated bio pics and heavy dramas like in 2008 with Slumdog Millionaire, Frost/Nixon, The Reader, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, and Milk representing a year that had The Dark Knight, Wall.e, Changeling, Doubt, Gran Torino, and so on as well. With 10, you represent everyone’s taste usually with years like 2009 and 10 with great diverse movies for just about every type of movie fan. A mix of indies, blockbusters, moving crowd pleasers, bio pics, animation, westerns, action, comedy, war, etc. 

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    ^But what do you do in a year in which there are not truly 10 best picture worthy nominees?  Chances are there are going to be years in which there are not ten films worthy of winning a best picture Oscar.  Heck most years there are not as every year we usually end up with only one or two films in contention for the grand pize.  Having ten nominees is not going to change that fact.  If anything, that only gurantees that we may have unworthy contenders who only serve as filler nominees.

    I am all for having a diverse line-up that is represetative of the year in film, but having any specific number of fim nominees is not going to gurantee that.  I can pretty much gurantee you though if we automiatically had 10 nominees then we would just end up with 10 variations of biopics and heavy dramas.  Sadly in most given years there are not any blockbuster, moving crowd pleasers, animation, western, or action films that are best picture worthy.  Sure films like American Sniper, Django Unchained, or Toy Story 3 may sneak in, but those are the rare exceptions to the rules. 

    I guess until they change the nomination and voting process, and the academy membership itself, it does not really matter if they change this rule or not.  It’s not like they are truly changing much of anything by doing this.  Or as someone above said, this is merely a window dressing covering the real problems. 

     

     

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    ^But what do you do in a year in which there are not truly 10 best picture worthy nominees?   

    These years never exist and probably never will 

      I can pretty much gurantee you though if we automiatically had 10 nominees then we would just end up with 10 variations of biopics and heavy dramas.  

    2009 and 2010 were full of diverse movies. The Kids are all Right, Inception, A Serious Man, Up, Toy Story 3, District 9, Winter’s Bone, and The Blind Side are not typical Oscar movies and wouldn’t have made the cut in their years. They need to go back to the way they voted in these years. 

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    Nooooooo!!!  I don’t want it to return to five nominees!  I LOVE how it’s an unpredictable number now.  I love trying to figure out what will get in and what won’t.  Please, please, please, Academy, noooo!!!

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    I have mixed feelings on this. I do like the prestige of only having five nominees but we’ve gotten a lot of quirky, interesting Best Picture nominees since they expanded it. I doubt movies like Her, The Tree of Life, Inception, Toy Story 3, Winter’s Bone, Django Unchained, Selma or Whiplash would have been nominated if there were only five nominees. 

    At the same time, it’s pretty easy to rule out like 5-6 nominees each year in terms of the win (last year was only realistically between 12 Years, Gravity and American Hustle, this year only Boyhood and Birdman) so those extra nominees can feel like filler.

    Still, a Best Picture nomination can be a big deal for a lot of smaller movies that get nominated.

    Same feelings. I also like the prestige of five nominees but at the same time that five nominees would be just baity films (and most of them not even worth of the prestige).

    The problem is still the same that made them to change the rules in first place. The way the Academy (and all the awards for that matter) perceive what type of film is deserving of a nomination. They aren’t yet ready to crown a movie like The Dark Knight or Wall-E.

    And they had the chance. This year we had really good blockbusters like Dawn of the Planet of the Apes or Captain America: The Winter Soldier or Guardians of the Galaxy; we had interesting and different great options like Snowpiercer or The Babadook or Nightcrawler. I’m not saying these movies should be nominated, but at least had to be considered as real contenders, as deserving as most of the actual nominees.

    Or maybe what they should consider is just changing their tight-male-old-white-ass members. Diversity for diversity.

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    Completely against this.

    having too many best picture nominees has watered down the prestige of a nomination — without boosting the TV audience for the annual Oscars telecast. This year’s Academy Awards broadcast on ABC was down more than 15 percent from last year’s, and sources say there is fury among the governors about the quality and length of the show.”

    God forbid good, non-biobait films are nominated.  

    Are they so daft to not realize that the number of BP nominees is not one of the numerous of issues they have? Hire new, preferably younger/more in-touch producers, hire better writers, hire better hosts, stop obsessing over musicals and random, pointless musical performances (e..g, after In Memoriam), look at your voting membership and consult them, change the ceremony name back to Academy Awards, etc. Also accept that every year’s not going to be a home run. 

    Filmsite.org’s Tim Dirks’s comment on the Academy Awards,

    “Unfortunately, the critical worth, artistic vision, cultural influence, and innovative qualities of many films are not given the same voting weight. Especially since the 1980s, moneymaking “formula-made” blockbusters with glossy production values have often been crowd-pleasing titans (and Best Picture winners), but they haven’t necessarily been great films with depth or critical acclaim by any measure … And certain film genres (notably westerns, science fiction, and comedy) as well as independent films are not represented in balanced numbers throughout Oscar history.

    has largely been rectified. 

    The Oscars would get even more predicatble with 5 nominees. 

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