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  • Anonymous
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    No way that Emma Thompson had more screentime or more important character in “Sense and Sensibility”. Winslet was as important and as interesting as Thompson and she had her own storyline as well. The real supporting actresses were Harriet Walter, Gemma Jones, Elizabeth Spriggs, Imelda Staunton or Imogen Stubbs so I just don’t buy this category cheat.

    …and how on earth did Winslet lose to Mira Sorvino? She won the Sag and the Bafta too….it’s just weird about every single way.

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    BTN
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    It’s hard to get two actresses nominated in leading. Even though it was done just 4 years earlier in Thelma and Louise but both lost! I’d bet they’d try to make one supporting now! She won BAFTA after she lost the Oscar so there was no SAG BAFTA momentum. She may have gained some momentum after she lost the Oscar! It was seen as a Emma Thompson movie. She wrote it too. It was her star vehicle.

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    dude93
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    Winslet was probably too unknown too to be campaigned for the lead category… She was rightfully placed in supporting I think. 

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    babypook
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    Winslet is more supporting than Thompson. Add to that her youth. This is Emma’s film overall, although Kate gives one of my favorite perfs from her repertoire.

    Also, I think I’m one of the few who is more than OK with Sorvino’s win, although I’d have to say I was happier for her dad Paul than I was for her……

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    Jake
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    No way that Emma Thompson had more screentime or more important character in “Sense and Sensibility”. Winslet was as important and as interesting as Thompson and she had her own storyline as well. The real supporting actresses were Harriet Walter, Gemma Jones, Elizabeth Spriggs, Imelda Staunton or Imogen Stubbs so I just don’t buy this category cheat.

    …and how on earth did Winslet lose to Mira Sorvino? She won the Sag and the Bafta too….it’s just weird about every single way.

    When did you decide to come back? Where you ever away after your “goodbye letter” thread? 

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    Anonymous
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    [quote=”Vincelette”]No way that Emma Thompson had more screentime or more important character in “Sense and Sensibility”. Winslet was as important and as interesting as Thompson and she had her own storyline as well. The real supporting actresses were Harriet Walter, Gemma Jones, Elizabeth Spriggs, Imelda Staunton or Imogen Stubbs so I just don’t buy this category cheat.

    …and how on earth did Winslet lose to Mira Sorvino? She won the Sag and the Bafta too….it’s just weird about every single way.

    When did you decide to come back? Where you ever away after your “goodbye letter” thread? [/quote]

    Yeah, about 3 months. Why?

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    seabel
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    When someone asks this questions about category placement fraud, why do they seem so irritated?

    Category fraud is a really interesting topic since nowadays the star system has fall down and now the actors take on more supporting roles than leading ones. In the Hollywood Golden Era it would be impossible that Elizabeth Taylor played supporting roles. And, then, the competition is HUGE nowadays. HUGE like… in a big way, because nowadays unknown people get nominated for leading categories (With all the democracy and support that Internet gives) and, consequently, the stars WANT to be nominated anyway, so they go supporting. Don’t be so innocent to believe that studio executives decide what they want no matter the opinion (Because actors have to campaign and have to agree before).

    Kate Winslet in “Sense and Sensibility”: I don’t think it’s a co-lead. In fact, I think it’s Emma Thompson’s character’s story (Can’t remember the character’s name).

    Terrible category fraud is, for example, Hailee Steinfeld in “True Grit” (Look at that crowded 2010 Best Actress category, Scott Rudin should’ve thought), or Julia Roberts in “August: Osage County” or even worse,  

    Practically every year there’s a category fraud, more often in supporting than leading. Of course this list is SUBJECTIVE, but I have to emphasize to not offend some Goldderby Forum Members.

    2013: Julia Roberts (August: Osage County), Amy Adams (American Hustle),

    2012: Helen Hunt (The Sessions), Christoph Waltz (Django Unchained)

    2011: Viola Davis (The Help), Bérenice Bejo (The Artist)

    2010: Hailee Steinfeld (True Grit), Christian Bale (The Fighter)

    2009: Helen Mirren (The Last Station), Christopher Plummer (The Last Station)

    2008: Philip Seymour Hoffman (Doubt)

    2006: Meryl Streep (The Devil Wears Prada), Cate Blanchett (Notes on a Scandal)

    2005: Rachel Weisz (The Constant Gardener), Jake Gyllenhaal (Brokeback Mountain)

    2004: Jamie Foxx (Collateral)

    2002: Catherine Zeta-Jones (Chicago)

    2001: Jennifer Connelly (A beautiful mind), Ethan Hawke (Training Day)

    2000: Benicio del Toro (Traffic), Haley Joel Osment (The Sixth Sense)

    1998: Rachel Griffiths (Hilary and Jackie)

    1996: William H. Macy (Fargo), Geoffrey Rush (Shine), Kristin Scott-Thomas (The English Patient, she refused to promote the movie as protest, but they gave her more money)

    1995: Sharon Stone (Casino)

    1994: Morgan Freeman (The Shawnshank Redemption)

    But the thing is, DO YOU WANT AN OSCAR? Then forget about the ethics! 

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    Gabriel
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    But the thing is, DO YOU WANT AN OSCAR? Then forget about the ethics! 

    Exactly.  This is what it comes down to every time.

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    Anonymous
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    When someone asks this questions about category placement fraud, why do they seem so irritated?

    Category fraud is a really interesting topic since nowadays the star system has fall down and now the actors take on more supporting roles than leading ones. In the Hollywood Golden Era it would be impossible that Elizabeth Taylor played supporting roles. And, then, the competition is HUGE nowadays. HUGE like… in a big way, because nowadays unknown people get nominated for leading categories (With all the democracy and support that Internet gives) and, consequently, the stars WANT to be nominated anyway, so they go supporting. Don’t be so innocent to believe that studio executives decide what they want no matter the opinion (Because actors have to campaign and have to agree before).

    Kate Winslet in “Sense and Sensibility”: I don’t think it’s a co-lead. In fact, I think it’s Emma Thompson’s character’s story (Can’t remember the character’s name).

    Terrible category fraud is, for example, Hailee Steinfeld in “True Grit” (Look at that crowded 2010 Best Actress category, Scott Rudin should’ve thought), or Julia Roberts in “August: Osage County” or even worse,  

    Practically every year there’s a category fraud, more often in supporting than leading. Of course this list is SUBJECTIVE, but I have to emphasize to not offend some Goldderby Forum Members.

    2013: Julia Roberts (August: Osage County), Amy Adams (American Hustle),

    2012: Helen Hunt (The Sessions), Christoph Waltz (Django Unchained)

    2011: Viola Davis (The Help), Bérenice Bejo (The Artist)

    2010: Hailee Steinfeld (True Grit), Christian Bale (The Fighter)

    2009: Helen Mirren (The Last Station), Christopher Plummer (The Last Station)

    2008: Philip Seymour Hoffman (Doubt)

    2006: Meryl Streep (The Devil Wears Prada), Cate Blanchett (Notes on a Scandal)

    2005: Rachel Weisz (The Constant Gardener), Jake Gyllenhaal (Brokeback Mountain)

    2004: Jamie Foxx (Collateral)

    2002: Catherine Zeta-Jones (Chicago)

    2001: Jennifer Connelly (A beautiful mind), Ethan Hawke (Training Day)

    2000: Benicio del Toro (Traffic), Haley Joel Osment (The Sixth Sense)

    1998: Rachel Griffiths (Hilary and Jackie)

    1996: William H. Macy (Fargo), Geoffrey Rush (Shine), Kristin Scott-Thomas (The English Patient, she refused to promote the movie as protest, but they gave her more money)

    1995: Sharon Stone (Casino)

    1994: Morgan Freeman (The Shawnshank Redemption)

    But the thing is, DO YOU WANT AN OSCAR? Then forget about the ethics! 

    I’m not irritated, I’m surprised.

    I wouldn’t let many of these performances stay in their categories for sure! I mean Jacki Weaver in SLP IS A TRUE SUPPORTING, but Julia Roberts for example is DEFINITELY LEAD in August: Osage County.

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    BrokenFan
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    Speaking of coming back, what happened to all the gold derby regulars? Did scottfergz take a bunch with him when he got booted?

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    [quote=”Jake”][quote=”Vincelette”]No way that Emma Thompson had more screentime or more important character in “Sense and Sensibility”. Winslet was as important and as interesting as Thompson and she had her own storyline as well. The real supporting actresses were Harriet Walter, Gemma Jones, Elizabeth Spriggs, Imelda Staunton or Imogen Stubbs so I just don’t buy this category cheat.

    …and how on earth did Winslet lose to Mira Sorvino? She won the Sag and the Bafta too….it’s just weird about every single way.

    When did you decide to come back? Where you ever away after your “goodbye letter” thread? [/quote]

    Yeah, about 3 months. Why?[/quote]

    Because why doing all the fuss about going away and then coming back. 

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    [quote=”Vincelette”][quote=”Jake”][quote=”Vincelette”]No way that Emma Thompson had more screentime or more important character in “Sense and Sensibility”. Winslet was as important and as interesting as Thompson and she had her own storyline as well. The real supporting actresses were Harriet Walter, Gemma Jones, Elizabeth Spriggs, Imelda Staunton or Imogen Stubbs so I just don’t buy this category cheat.

    …and how on earth did Winslet lose to Mira Sorvino? She won the Sag and the Bafta too….it’s just weird about every single way.

    When did you decide to come back? Where you ever away after your “goodbye letter” thread? [/quote]

    Yeah, about 3 months. Why?[/quote]

    Because why doing all the fuss about going away and then coming back. [/quote]

    If it’s bothering you I recommend you to look away.

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    RobertoTerra
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    2013: Julia Roberts (August: Osage County), Amy Adams (American Hustle)

    Amy Adams is lead on American Hustle, as is Christian Bale and Bradley Cooper. They’re the three main characters.

    2009: Helen Mirren (The Last Station), Christopher Plummer (The Last Station)

    Are you saying Helen Mirren is not lead on The Last Station? Because that’s just stupid…

    2006: Meryl Streep (The Devil Wears Prada), Cate Blanchett (Notes on a Scandal)

    Meryl Streep is definitely co-lead and was nominated in the right category.

    2002: Catherine Zeta-Jones (Chicago)

    Velma Kelly may be a lead character in the original musical, but in Rob Marshall’s version she’s a supporting player.

    It’s funny that you mention CZJ but not another musical supporting winner in a big category fraud: Jennifer Hudson!

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    babypook
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    [quote=”Jake”][quote=”Vincelette”][quote=”Jake”][quote=”Vincelette”]No way that Emma Thompson had more screentime or more important character in “Sense and Sensibility”. Winslet was as important and as interesting as Thompson and she had her own storyline as well. The real supporting actresses were Harriet Walter, Gemma Jones, Elizabeth Spriggs, Imelda Staunton or Imogen Stubbs so I just don’t buy this category cheat.

    …and how on earth did Winslet lose to Mira Sorvino? She won the Sag and the Bafta too….it’s just weird about every single way.

    When did you decide to come back? Where you ever away after your “goodbye letter” thread? [/quote]

    Yeah, about 3 months. Why?[/quote]

    Because why doing all the fuss about going away and then coming back. [/quote]

    If it’s bothering you I recommend you to look away.[/quote

    Lol. I’m glad you came back Vince.

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    Jake
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    ^^Yeah, what bothers me is the pointlessness of the whole situation and not taking your own statements seriously. 

    And before I’ll look away, I have to say that Winslet was obviously supporting. I’m happy she wasn’t campaigned lead because that would only harm Emma Thompson and take Kate nowhere in the Oscar race whereas in supporting she was a steady presence throughout the season and made a name for herself which allowed her to get classic leading roles, not the ones that were borderline at best.

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