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  • Maxwell
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    My favorite win of the year, my second-favorite performance of the year (after Charlotte Rampling’s), and an upset for the history books. I was debating between Stallone and Rylance all season; unfortunately, I went with Stallone in the end. Here’s why we all should’ve seen it coming.

    1.    Misleading media narrative and precursors
    The pundits and media built a juicy, star-driven narrative – Stallone and
    Rocky’s comeback – and then finagled the results of the derby into a
    self-confirming misinterpretation. Yes, Stallone won BFCA and the Globe, but
    both of those awards are voted on by journalists. Rylance was the only
    contender to earn BFCA, Globe, SAG, and BAFTA nominations – in addition to
    kudos from NYFC, LAFC, BSFC, and NSFC – a feat which should have shifted the
    media narrative in his favor.
    Instead, pundits explained away Stallone’s snubs as a result of Creed’s supposedly late-breaking entry
    into the race, despite the film opening during SAG voting. A serious question –
    does BAFTA receive screeners, and would it have received a Creed screener in time? Either way, snubs at both SAG and BAFTA
    should be seen as troubling. In recent years we’ve seen winners in
    late-breaking films who’ve been snubbed at SAG but won BAFTA (Christoph Waltz
    in Django Unchained), and BAFTA snubs
    who won SAG (McConaughey/Leto in Dallas
    Buyers Club
    ), but to the best of my knowledge, never someone who’s not been
    at least nominated at one or the other.

    2.    
    British
    theatrical legends
    Rylance has three Tonys and an Olivier, and is unequivocally the most
    revered stage actor of his generation. While a lot of Hollywood probably asked
    “who was that?” after seeing Bridge of
    Spies
    , the New York and London contingents certainly knew who he was.
    The Oscars love their middle-aged and elderly Brits, and often reward those
    with long careers onstage and in British cinema with a “welcome to Hollywood”
    Oscar – this group includes Edmund Gwenn, Margaret Rutherford, John Mills,
    Peggy Ashcroft, Jim Broadbent, and now Rylance. That’s not to mention the
    abiding love for Olivier, Gielgud, Hayes, Hiller, Smith, Caine, Redgrave,
    Dench, Mirren and the rest.

    3.    
    Stallone
    and Creed’s status

    If Rylance won for his years treading the boards, then Stallone’s
    narrative is the complete antithesis. Odds are that fifty years from now the
    only two Stallone films anyone will be watching will be Rocky and Creed. One
    can’t help but view Stallone as a less serious actor, and while his performance
    in both films is moving and endearing, our appreciation of his performance is
    more for his screen presence and the concept of the character than it is for
    any particularly refined or inspired technique.
    As to Creed, it indeed had great
    reviews and was a remake/reboot combo of an iconic Best Picture winner. I know
    many on this site wished it would have been more of a contender than it ended
    up. But the fact is – whether you chalk it up to race, taste, or quality – the
    film did not catch on with any of the major groups this season. Bridge of Spies, while it missed out on
    a few prospective below-the-line nods and most crucially a Spielberg
    nomination, was a Best Picture contender with broader support.

    4.    
    Coattails
    and splits
    But, you ask, if Rylance won in part because his film had broader support,
    wouldn’t it follow that one of the contenders from the three Best Picture
    frontrunners would take the prize? The problem with this theory is that
    Stallone and Ruffalo stood out in their respective films as natural nominees; I
    know the remaining three performances have their fans, and I might nominate
    Hardy myself, but at the end of the day there’s no denying they primarily got
    in on coattails. Bale and Ruffalo stand out as the strongest co-leads in their
    films, which luckily for them were Best Picture frontrunners, but their
    performances were not necessarily standouts of the year. It helps that both are
    Academy favorites who’ve snuck in before. Hardy gives the most colorful and
    transformative performance of the three, but he was also a surprise contender
    who missed every precursor save BFCA.
    Let’s assume that Rylance didn’t win in a rout, and that voting was probably
    very close. My guess is that voting was split between three groups – those for
    Rylance, those for Stallone, and those who followed their Best Picture
    favorite. Since the Best Picture race was also very close, the latter probably
    cancelled each other out, although my guess is that Ruffalo received the most
    of the three, followed by Hardy and then by too-recent winner Bale.
    If, as Oscar night proved, the Rylance contingent proved larger than the
    Stallone, then Ruffalo might have presented the biggest possible threat – if Spotlight were the presumed frontrunner
    and not narrowly victorious in a tight three-way race, and if the other two
    films in that race didn’t also boast their own supporting actor nominees.

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    1 and 3, sure. But I think people generally agree after the fact.

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    Tonbone
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    You make several arguments. However the one thing that made me skeptical towards Mark Rylance winning was that the performance was so subtle and zenlike that I didn’t imagine the academy going for such a subtle performance. Call me ignorant but it doesn’t seem to me that the academy honors subtle acting that much I mean besides a few surprises like Patricia Arquette or Tilda Swinton. If Rylance won why not Colin Firth for A Single Man in 2010 when he was up against Bridges.

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    Maxwell
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    You make several arguments. However the one thing that made me skeptical towards Mark Rylance winning was that the performance was so subtle and zenlike that I didn’t imagine the academy going for such a subtle performance. Call me ignorant but it doesn’t seem to me that the academy honors subtle acting that much I mean besides a few surprises like Patricia Arquette or Tilda Swinton. If Rylance won why not Colin Firth for A Single Man in 2010 when he was up against Bridges.

    Also why I was skeptical, and why the win is even more impressive. As to Firth in 2010, Bridges had a similar trajectory to Stallone – a comeback narrative for a veteran star – the difference being that Bridges is a much better actor than Stallone whose career is filled with Oscar nominations. Bridges was overdue, while Rocky excepted nobody thought Stallone had been due for anything in the past.

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    1.    Misleading media narrative and precursors

    The pundits and media built a juicy, star-driven narrative – Stallone and
    Rocky’s comeback – and then finagled the results of the derby into a
    self-confirming misinterpretation. Yes, Stallone won BFCA and the Globe, but
    both of those awards are voted on by journalists. Rylance was the only
    contender to earn BFCA, Globe, SAG, and BAFTA nominations – in addition to
    kudos from NYFC, LAFC, BSFC, and NSFC – a feat which should have shifted the
    media narrative in his favor.
    Instead, pundits explained away Stallone’s snubs as a result of Creed’s supposedly late-breaking entry
    into the race, despite the film opening during SAG voting. A serious question –
    does BAFTA receive screeners, and would it have received a Creed screener in time? Either way, snubs at both SAG and BAFTA
    should be seen as troubling. In recent years we’ve seen winners in
    late-breaking films who’ve been snubbed at SAG but won BAFTA (Christoph Waltz
    in Django Unchained), and BAFTA snubs
    who won SAG (McConaughey/Leto in Dallas
    Buyers Club
    ), but to the best of my knowledge, never someone who’s not been
    at least nominated at one or the other.

     

    Michael Shannon won LAFC. Good old Marcia Gay Harden trivia won without any precursor nominations.

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    Maxwell
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    Michael Shannon won LAFC. Good old Marcia Gay Harden trivia won without any precursor nominations.

    Shannon did win; Rylance was runner-up. You’re absolutely right about Marcia Gay Harden – but her win’s seen as an anomaly for a reason.

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    Denis
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    He won because he was the alternative to Stallone who was never going to get an oscar not in a million years.

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    24Emmy
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    He won because he was the alternative to Stallone who was never going to get an oscar not in a million years.

    Give me a break. Typical hater nonsense. Mo’Nique has an Oscar. It only takes one performance. For all you know Stallone follows up with another nom like Christopher Plummer did and wins then..

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    Rylance won because the academy’s a bunch of biased elitist snobs. Next

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    This seems pretty simple to me.  Elba won SAG, but was snubbed.  Stallone won the awards voted by journalists (not the industry) and his standing ovations were of only dozens to hundreds of voters, which turned out not to be indicative of the thousands of voters, not to mention that standing ovations are not necessarily indicative anyway of everyone who is standing having voted for the person.  Rylance won BAFTA.

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    I believe so strongly that Stallone is going to win. But Stallone’s frontrunner status was very much carved by the media and oscar predictors. He didn’t get the industry support i.e. SAG and BAFTA.
    I agree that Rylance is a brilliant British actor with grace and class which the academy usually likes (Mirren, Caine, Dench, Olivier, Smith, etc). He seems like a genuinely humble and nice guy.
    BAFTA seems to have a record of predicting some surprise winners (which disagree with HFPA, SAG, BFCA): Rylance, Arkin, Swinton, Cotillard, etc. I will never think “BAFTA is just voting for the Brits, it won’t happen in the Oscar” again.
    It is interesting that both winning performance of supporting categories are painters.

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    I know Im going out on a limb right now, but does anyone think that the OscarSoWhite controversy hurt Stallone? Its probably not the primary reason, but it could have been a factor into why he lost. There was a lot of people ridiculing the Academy for recognizing only white people in black films, like the Straight Outta Compton screenwriters. And after a lot of people accused the Academy of racisim for recognizing Stallone instead of Jordan, they may not have wanted to give him a trophy. I know thats sounds crazy, but it was just a thought that popped into my head. 

    Give Paul Thomas Anderson an Oscar.

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    Riley
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    May not have helped, but I doubt that it impacted the result.

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    The Brit Bloc in the membership voted for him en masse.  

    There, a one-sentence explanation.  

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    Tonbone
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    At the risk of sounding ignorant how is it AMPAS and BAFTA have an overlap of voters?/

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