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  • Tyler The Awesome Guy
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    Someone told me he doesn’t like or trust the Oscars anymore after stuff like Brother Bear or Shark Tale got nominations in Animated Feature, The LEGO Movie got snubbed, and Brave won over Wreck-it Ralph (he listed other stuff but I didn’t remember it)

    It led me to ask about why people have such a negative opinion about the greatest film awards of all-time?

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    It ain’t the greatest. It happens to be the first. The Academy was once a causal meaningless thing. At some point it became important. And the public who are invested in movies and movie stars became very concern at perceived snubs in the nominations and who won instead of the preferred choice etc. Now most people see the badge of honor in not receiving Academy recognition. Anti-establishment. Much cooler movies are outside what is deemed Oscar worthy or acceptable.

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    jjjmoss
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    Well several very cool non-traditional movies have gotten big attention from the Oscars in recent years; the sheer quality and public/critical buzz got them through regardless.

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    jamiepg88
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    Well I’ve definitely spoken to people who are disappointed because their faves,like Alan Rickman in Deathly Hallows pt2, Cher in Burlesque, and Avengers for picture, don’t make it in so they write off the whole thing as being a bunch of snobs. There’s also those who take serious issue with the idea of “overdue” or giving the win to acknowledge a whole career.

    The problem I have with the first argument is that anyone can then name literally any movie or actor they like and act as if it proves the entire award is obsolete. There’s an idea that by sticking to smaller movies they are disconnected from what people want( as exemplified by Chris Rock’s hosting this past year) but honestly is that what the Oscars are supposed to be? Isn’t that why we have the People’s Choice? So many people act like these things are objective when they obviously aren’t and personal taste come into play.

    To the second point I sometimes get bothered by the overdue argument but in the end its rarely given to someone for an undeserving performance. Julianne Moore for instance didn’t win for her career best but she did win for one that was Oscar worthy…her narrative just helped as did the weak field that year.

    To be honest though the fact that the Oscars “get it wrong” is kind of why I’m invested. Obviously its great when the ones we think are the best get the win but the fun of the Oscars is the debate. Going back in the archive and breaking down how the hell Rocky beat Network and All the Presidents Men, how Glenn Close managed to not win once, how Bette Davis lost for the iconic All About Eve.

    I love the awards because everyone has an opinion about who should and shouldn’t win or be nominated in the first place. The best part, even when posters here get rude and nasty, is hearing the joy and outrage whenever there’s an upset or a tight race. If they got it right every time it would feel good for that one night but ultimately its more fun when its messy or unexpected or just plain confusing. So please Oscar keep missing the mark so I have something to obsess over:)

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    Volcarocka
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    The problem is that everybody has their own opinions on actors, performances, and movies, and when the opinions of a majority of a group of people (The Academy) are different, people tend to disregard those opinions as “wrong” or worse. The Oscars are popular because people WANT this conflict. They want to have angry conversations about it. If nobody cared what other people’s opinions were, or wanted to express their own opinion, the Oscars wouldn’t have a single viewer.

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    Eddy Q
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    What I find fascinating is that those who talk and think about the Oscars the most are usually those who respect them the least. I include myself in this category because I don’t truly respect the Academy at all – the “brutally honest” Oscar ballot interviews have been rather sobering to say the least. But I sure as hell find it fun to anticipate them. Whereas someone less interested in the politics of awards season would probably be far more persuaded by the term “Oscar-winner” on advertisements than someone like me would, because all it means to them is this prestigious award which is supposed to be a big deal.

    I also find that middle-class audiences in general tend to like the same types of movies as Oscar voters outside of blockbuster fare; they admire prestige dramas with big stars that seem important, like The Imitation Game and The Reader, because they have that sheen of “quality” about them, whether or not they truly are great films. (More sophisticated minds, however, often prefer the lowbrow to the middlebrow, but that’s a whole different topic.) Of course, once people investigate a bit further on what beat their favourite film to an Oscar, they become disillusioned. But while the Oscars deserve plenty of criticism, not all of the complaints against them have been on the mark. For instance, many disdain the Academy for being snobbish, and while that might be true to a certain extent, in other ways they might not be snobbish enough, to use a loose definition of that word. “Film snobs” rush to see an eclectic range of movies, many of which certain Oscar voters wouldn’t go near with a ten-foot pole.

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    13SV8
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    So many people are invested in the Oscars because they are the most prestigious award in Hollywood, so it’s frustrating when they get things wrong.

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    Volcarocka
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    ^The issue is what’s wrong to you may not be wrong to others (if we all agreed that the same things were best, there’d be no point in more than one of us). So it’s annoying when people claim to hate the Academy for “getting it wrong” when, to the voters, they were right, but without that conflict, nobody would watch the Oscars.

    Also, don’t put too much stock in the “Brutally Honest” Oscar voter ballot. The reporter intentionally publishes only the controversial ones, because no one would read them if they’re all “I voted for this because I think it’s the best”. The majority of voters aren’t like the ones published.

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    RYamilah
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    Yeah! It’s subjective.

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    Alex Meyer
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    Do I agree with the Academy’s choices all the time? No, of course not. But a serious film buff, I look beyond the lens of popular culture and watch Oscar-winning films in all categories (not just Best Picture and the acting categories), because I want to see for myself why Oscar voters thought that film, whatever it may be, deserved the Oscar that it won. And 90% of the time, I can totally understand why.

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    The Oscars always get three things right.

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