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  • Marcus Dixon
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    #197940

    Last year when “Birdman” beat “Boyhood” for Best Picture, I was ready to quit the Oscars. Sure “Birdman” was a good film, but it failed in comparison to the brilliance and grandeur of “Boyhood” — just ask BAFTA and the Critics’ Choice Awards.

    That said, what film winning Best Picture this year would give you the same knee-jerk reaction to quit the Oscars? Is there a film high in our Gold Derby charts that would enrage you to the core if it actually won? Sound off!

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    Patrick
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    If The Martian wins, I’ll probably be more pissed off than I was last year when Birdman won. The Martian as a whole is so rediculously overrated and so is Matt Damon’s performance. He doesn’t act. He’s just himself in space while telling a few jokes and trying to survive.

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    Macbeth
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    No film winning Best Picture would ever make me quit the Oscars, because if a film is good enough to get nominated, it is good enough to win. Until a day when crap like Pixels or Jack and Jill get nominated, all nominees and winners would have been good enough to be deserving and live on their merits as being seen as good enough by a wide enough spectrum of people for it to be considered the best of the year. 

    Also, its irrelevant, but I am tired of this blasé, elitist attitude that Boyhood was some revelation, and that Birdman is a terrible winner. Boyhood was a good enough film, and it was an interesting experiment – but it had no story, the performances were weak (only Ethan Hawke and Lorelai Linklater seemed to be trying, as Patricia Arquette did nothing awards-worthy and Ellar Coltrane just aged), and if you want to see a rivetting story, go and look at something like Michael Apted’s Up! films, which cover the same concept, but are actually interesting and have some genuine human emotion behind it. I beg to know what “brilliance and grandeur” Boyhood had? A dude films a few actors for a week or two every year for twelve years? I’m not saying Boyhood wasn’t a good film, and its a fine film that many people (including myself) enjoyed, but come on, it was a pedestrian script and the only awards it deserved were for Best Original Concept, but unfortunately that doesn’t exist, so the actual awards belong to the films that deserve it. Birdman is a towering masterpiece that I feel has become the new fashion to mock and deride because it won over the simplistic experiment that was Boyhood. Honestly, this isn’t even me being a hopeless fan for Birdman, because I’d even have preferred to see something like The Grand Budapest Hotel win. 

    I may seem a little bit bitter here, but to be perfectly honest, I have to nip this in the bud. It seems to be so fashionable for everyone to bash Birdman because it won over Boyhood. Don’t dare say “it was a good film but…” because that’s an argument I’ve heard forty million times. It was a great film, is one of the best winners of Best Picture in years and is an original and unique film, just like Boyhood, but if Boyhood did win, I doubt anyone would go and criticize Birdman and mock it and demean it in the way people all over the internet have. Its a nuanced form of trolling that demeans the film not because of the film’s content or message, but simply because the film is what it is and achieved something the populist choice didn’t, which is fine. Honestly, both films will be remembered for as long as movies are around, and honestly, awards don’t determine what is truly good or bad, but rather determine what an elite group of people believe are good and bad.

    Anyway, my rant is over. No film winning Best Picture will ever make me quit, and if a film makes you quit the Oscars because it won Best Picture, that’s…bizarre.  

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    Marcus Dixon
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    I respect your rant, however, isn’t it interesting that we do hear “all over the internet” people that are really upset with the “Birdman” vs. “Boyhood” outcome. You don’t hear the same about the victories for “12 Years a Slave” or “Argo,” so the fact that there is such an outcry over “Birdman’s” win tells you something isn’t quite right. We haven’t seen such a passionate reaction to a Best Picture win since “Crash” beat “Brokback Mountain.” Just my two cents.

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    Macbeth
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    I respect your rant, however, isn’t it interesting that we do hear “all over the internet” people that are really upset with the “Birdman” vs. “Boyhood” outcome. You don’t hear the same about the victories for “12 Years a Slave” or “Argo,” so the fact that there is such an outcry over “Birdman’s” win tells you something isn’t quite right. Just my two cents.

    Under which rock do you live if you think there was not backlash about those two films winning?

    Argo 
    The Argo victory was set in stone the moment (a) Ben Affleck got snubbed (b) no other film inspired as much passion and (c) films like Lincoln and The Master were well-received but not in the way to receive wins. Silver Linings Playbook was too small to even consider being a winner (at the time – now the tides are turning). Also, it was a feel-good film about historical events and a crowd-pleaser. It wasn’t going to lose, and with the backlash of Ben Affleck being snubbed just gave it extra motivation to go all the way

    12 Years a Slave
    There was tremendous backlash surrounding 12 Years a Slave winning, not because it was a bad film or people didn’t like the film, but don’t you remember that there were anonymous voters that said that they felt pressured to vote for it, because if it didn’t win, it would make the AMPAS look bad? I am not making this up, there are voters that anonymously said that they voted for it to avoid backlash that would be worse if it lost. Also, come on – it was pure Oscar-bait – period drama, deals with history, story about morals and overcoming terrible conditions, strong performances. 

    Yes, the outcry on the internet about Birdman‘s win DOES tell me something – that people are volatile and get very angry when there are two films that don’t cover any traditional bait topics – racism, homophobia, biopics, disease or history – battling against each other, and the one that they identify most with (the simple populist choice), wins to a polarizing film. I don’t want to offend anybody, and certainly the members of predicting communities like this do not fall into this category, but honestly…most people hated Birdman because they didn’t understand Birdman. It was confusing and dealt with complex themes and went beyond the normal filmgoing experience, and it didn’t evoke feel-good emotions. Its a bit like Math – either you hate it or you love it. If you hate it, its because you never understood it or you weren’t good at it, and if you love it, you don’t understand why people could possibly find it difficult or confusing, and why anyone could hate it. That’s exactly what’s going on here. I’m not saying people that preferred Birdman are too stupid to understand it, and thus hate it, but rather the right thing to do is say “the film I didn’t like won, the one I did like lost. Let’s move on” and not demean it to the point of where the artistic integrity is completely eroded, and the opinions of those that legitimately loved it, like me, are seen as elitist, arrogant and wrong, which is something that I experienced many times during this past awards season, and something I strangely find lurking around the internet movie forums far too often since it happened. 

    Alas, I will never convince the uncoverted that Birdman is great and is totally deserving of its win. 

    I should also note something slightly controversial that Nick has just alluded too as well – Boyhood felt like it catered to the niche of the middle-class, modern American nuclear family. It was truly American in its approach, and while I understand that the AMPAS is mostly American, when a film represents only a small niche like that, it detaches itself from many other people. I know one legitimate argument for Boyhood is that it reminds many people of their own lives, and that’s fine, and to them it may be a masterpiece, but to me (and many others)…it is just the boring life of people I can’t relate to. At least something like Birdman doesn’t try and appeal to a specific group in the way thatBoyhood does. Because let’s be honest, the crux of Linklater making Boyhood was because he wanted to represent his experiences, and the experiences of people similar to him. It’s a weak argument, but can explain why many people are opposed toBoyhood, but it doesn’t exist in its truest form because it lost and is now the underdog that lost in the end. In fact, if it actually won, I wonder if we’d be seeing this kind of criticism happening as well… 

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    manakamana
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    Yeah, Boyhood had a lot more richness and felt more refreshing than Birdman — but this shouldn’t be a thread relitigating that fight (weirdly it’s people who hate Boyhood who seem to get a lot more angry than its fans even though it didn’t even win, calm down y’all). 

    I probably wouldn’t personally boycott the Oscars unless they gave the top prize to something I find personally disturbing and offensive, like American Sniper last year (especially after embarrassingly ignoring Selma for the most part). I don’t know if I see anything like that having a chance of happening this year.

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    ROOM

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    Macbeth
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    ROOM

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Room strikes me as a film that just gets a Best Actress nomination. I quite frankly don’t see where the obsession for Jacob Tremblay comes in. Sure he gives a good performance, but those wanting him to be nominated…its odd. I wouldn’t want him nominated over some of the other men in his category.   

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    I respect your rant, however, isn’t it interesting that we do hear “all over the internet” people that are really upset with the “Birdman” vs. “Boyhood” outcome. You don’t hear the same about the victories for “12 Years a Slave” or “Argo,” so the fact that there is such an outcry over “Birdman’s” win tells you something isn’t quite right. Just my two cents.

    Ermmm….no. Your “all over the internet” obviously refers to the internet pundits and critics who championed it?

    Because the “backlash” you are refering to is NOT like Crash. Boyhood fans want to champion that little idea, but it didn’t stick, and it never will. There were more people sad that Whiplash didn’t win more Oscars than Boyhood losing Best Picture (which by the way was no surprise since Birdman won SAG, PGA, DGA, and in so doing saved the race). It was not an upset. Everybody was expecting Birdman to win. Everybody knew Birdman will win the Oscar.

     

     

     

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    People need to get over this Boyhood thing. The film works for some people, and for some it doesn’t. MOVE ON.

    Anyhow, I really don’t want Spotlight to win. I despise it when middle-of-the-road, crowd-pleasing dramas/thrillers triumph over pictures that will actually be remembered and leave a mark on cinema.

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    If The Martian wins, I’ll probably be more pissed off than I was last year when Birdman won. The Martian as a whole is so rediculously overrated and so is Matt Damon’s performance. He doesn’t act. He’s just himself in space while telling a few jokes and trying to survive.

    Even though I liked The Martian, everything you said is admittedly completely true. I agree w/ your criticisms, in spite of my own enjoyment of the film.

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    Probably nothing. Oscar disappoints us in some way or another every year, and we always come back.

    I didn’t mind seeing Birdman winning Best Picture or Director, since I liked it a bunch and thought it made for a visually atypical BP winner. Though I did vastly prefer Boyhood and thought it to be a richer viewing experience on the whole. It was only really with the Screenplay races that I got a bit ticked, since it looked like Wes Anderson might get a chance at recognition before getting trampled by the Iñárritu steamroller, and The Imitation Game winning an Oscar for much of anything (but especially its script) is about as egregious a mistake as I could imagine.

    Still, not enough for me to quit. And I don’t see anything this year that might really enrage me like that.

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    In response to the two arguments in this thread:

    I’m never quitting the Oscars as long as they continue to have deserving winners. I suppose in the world where San Andreas won Best Picture, I would probably leave, but even then, I would have some trouble giving it up. Of the legitimate contenders I’ve seen so far, there are none that I would be upset about winning.

    The Boyhood/Birdman debate is still baffling to me. Both films are about equal in merit, but they are so incredibly different and neither of them are at all traditional Best Picture material. I honestly sometimes wonder if Boyhood was even the runner-up as everyone assumes. Looking critically at the race, it seems far more likely to me that The Imitation Game was in second place. It feels far more traditional, and would appeal broadly to the Oscars, it got all the nominations it would have needed, and a screenplay victory that shows legitimate support. The only thing it was missing was the precursor victories, but it’s not like last year was traditional in that department either. If there’s a backlash against Birdman, it’s because it doesn’t fit the mold of what people expect as Best Picture, and if The Imitation Game had won, nobody outside Goldderby would still be talking about it.

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    Because the “backlash” you are refering to is NOT like Crash. Boyhood fans want to champion that little idea, but it didn’t stick, and it never will. There were more people sad that Whiplash didn’t win more Oscars than Boyhood losing Best Picture (which by the way was no surprise since Birdman won SAG, PGA, DGA, and in so doing saved the race). It was not an upset. Everybody was expecting Birdman to win. Everybody knew Birdman will win the Oscar.

     

     

     

    I was predicting Boyhood to win Picture and Director. As for the guild wins, I thought it would be an Apollo 13/Braveheart type deal. I was wrong with Argo and I was DEAD WRONG with Boyhood. 🙁

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    #197958

    I will never “quit” the Oscars, but I will be really pissed off at Carol or The Danish Girl winning. If Gravity’s seven wins didn’t phase me from quitting, nothing will.

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