March 7, 2018 at 6:35 pm #1202509327
I just read her book and watched some of her podcasts. (BTW I recommend both. She really knows and loves her movies.)
One thing that puzzled me. She says in the book and on the podcast that she got into the academy because she only missed getting a nomination for Supporting Actress for To Die for by like four votes.
As far as I’ve read she doesn’t explain how she knows this. Anyone know the story? Did some accountant with loose lips spill the vote totals?March 8, 2018 at 6:40 am #1202509631
I too have actually heard this before. Not that I don’t believe Douglas but it really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, given her absence in the precursors that awards season and Kidman’s lack of nomination.
COMING SOON to The Awards Connection: The 100 Greatest Oscar-Nominated PerformancesMarch 8, 2018 at 9:53 am #1202509752
4/5 nominees matched between Oscars and Globes. The only difference was Kyra Sedgwick in Something to Talk About was dropped at the Oscars for Mare Winningham in Georgia. Kyra had better noticed than Douglas but Douglas was on the shortlist at NSFC, but that’s it. I’d be more interested in finding out who may have told her! hahaMarch 8, 2018 at 12:56 pm #1202510003
Joan Allen wasn’t nominated for the Globe for Nixon, but Anjelica Huston for The Crossing Guard was and was also nominated for the SAG Award alongside Stockard Channing for Smoke. I remember 1995 being a very poor year for supporting actresses, as there were strong performances in little seen films and little performances in strongly seen films. Sorvino and Winslet definitely sucked up all of the oxygen that year. I suspect To Die For being a breakthrough role helped the granddaughter of two-time Oscar winner Melvyn Douglas gain admission to the Academy. And she was so good the next year in Grace of My Heart, a Carole King-esque story written and directed by Allison Anders, so the buzz on that may have helped as well.
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Allen moved down to Supporting, specifically because Lead was such a zoo and Supporting a ghost town. Sorvino and Winslet were always safe, while Quinlan was able to ride the Apollo 13 coattails to a nom. As for Winningham, well, she had Harvey behind her. Channing didn’t have a real prayer, while Huston had buzz over her reunion w/ Nicholson but The Crossing Guard was a resounding flop that Miramax ended up basically abandoning early in the awards season.
COMING SOON to The Awards Connection: The 100 Greatest Oscar-Nominated PerformancesMarch 8, 2018 at 7:32 pm #1202510137
Allen’s SAG nomination as lead was a mistake. Her reps filled out the form wrong. This happened a couple of times in the early SAG days. (Jennifer Connelly, Benicio Del Torro)
Oliver Stone kind of wrecked Joan Allen’s Oscar chances. He wouldn’t allow screeners to be sent out so you had to see it in a theater. I remember reading British voters complaining that the film hadn’t even opened there so they couldn’t see it at all. Stone basically lost Allen the entire British voting membership plus any other academy members who didn’t live in a major city.March 8, 2018 at 8:03 pm #1202510150
I feel like other actors have made similar claims to this about being a certain number of votes away from nominations/wins, or only winning by so many votes. At the moment I can’t remember any specifics, but I’ve always just took them as either the actor being told these things to protect their fragile egos by agents/studio heads or they were simply lying themselves. Now my first answer would bring up a total misunderstanding of the process if actors could be that manipulated, however we have seen before at times how little the actors do know about awards process (I.e. Edie Falco and Tyne Daly at the Emmys).
Now with all this being said, after last year’s Best Picture debocal, maybe some accountants have revealed the votes – but surely people would have found that out and it would have been made into a much bigger deal.March 8, 2018 at 9:09 pm #1202510183
What happened with Edie Falco and Tyne Daly that showed they knew little about the Emmy process?March 8, 2018 at 9:13 pm #1202510184
I just watched her podcast with Ben Mankiewicz. He brings it up sort of awkwardly like is it ok to say this? (She answers yes I put it in the book.) The way they discuss it made me think Ben knew the whole story and was trying not to reveal too much. Maybe some insider really did reveal the vote totals to her. Gregory Peck nominated her for membership so maybe he had the connections and told her.March 9, 2018 at 4:31 am #1202510347
What happened with Edie Falco and Tyne Daly that showed they knew little about the Emmy process?
Both had no idea episodes had been submitted at times of their wins as part of the voting process. Tyne was actually really rude to Tom O’Neil about it in an interview and she kept insisting she won for her entire body of work, not a single episode. He kept trying to explain to her how it works, but she just wasn’t having it.
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