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  • 24Emmy
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    Michael Keaton was on Letterman a couple nights ago. He shared a conversation he had at the Oscars luncheon.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVtY_auxcA

     

    “When it comes to winning an Academy Award illness always wins.” True or false?

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    Gone_Guy
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    Not true at all. At least since 2000. I looked back and only came up with only five winning recipients: Redmayne, Moore, McConaughey, Leto, and Plummer. If I’m wrong about any of the others not being included with those five, please let me know.

    What he should have said was “Playing a real person always gets you a win” (24 since 2000).

    2014 (2)
    – Lead Actor: Eddie Redmayne, The Theory of Everything
    – Lead Actress: Julianne Moore, Still Alice
    —n/a: J.K. Simmons, Patricia Arquette

    2013 (2)
    – Lead Actor: Matthew McConaughey, Dallas Buyers Club
    – Supporting Actor: Jared Leto, Dallas Buyers Club
    —n/a: Cate Blanchett, Lupita Nyong’o

    2012 (0)
    —n/a: Daniel Day-Lewis, Jennifer Lawrence, Christoph Waltz, Anne Hathaway

    2011 (1)
    – Supporting Actor: Christopher Plummer, Beginners
    —n/a: Jean Dujardin, Meryl Streep, Octavia Spencer

    2010 (0)
    —n/a: Colin Firth, Natalie Portman, Christian Bale, Melissa Leo  

    2009 (0)
    —n/a: Jeff Bridges, Sandra Bullock, Christoph Waltz, Mo’Nique

    2008 (0)
    —n/a: Sean Penn, Kate Winslet, Heath Ledger, Penelope Cruz

    2007 (0)
    —n/a: Daniel Day-Lewis, Marion Cotillard, Javier Bardem, Tilda Swinton

    2006 (0)
    —n/a: Forest Whitaker, Helen Mirren, Alan Arkin, Jennifer Hudson

    2005 (0)
    —n/a: Philip Seymour Hoffman, Reese Witherspoon, George Clooney, Rachel Weisz

    2004 (0)
    —n/a: Jamie Foxx, Hilary Swank, Morgan Freeman, Cate Blanchett

    2003 (0)
    —n/a: Sean Penn, Charlize Theron, Tim Robbins, Renee Zellweger

    2002 (0)
    —n/a: Adrien Brody, Nicole Kidman, Chris Cooper, Catherine Zeta-Jones

    2001 (0)
    —n/a: Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, Jim Broadbent, Jennifer Connelly

    2000 (0)
    —n/a: Russell Crowe, Julia Roberts, Benicio Del Toro, Marcia Gay Harden 

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    M
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    Meryl Streep as elderly Thatcher had mental illness. Jennifer Lawrence had mental illness. Nicole Kidman had mental illness. 

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    KyleBailey
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    If you count depression an illness Jean Dujardin had that and Natalie Portman went crazy. Jamie Foxx was blind if that counts. I forget what *SPOILER BUT IT’S BEEN 9 YEARS SO NOT REALLY* what Alan Arkin died of in Sunshine if he was sick or not. It’s not always but it happens 

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    24Emmy
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    Not true at all. At least since 2000. I looked back and only came up with only five winning recipients: Redmayne, Moore, McConaughey, Leto, and Plummer. If I’m wrong about any of the others not being included with those five, please let me know.

     

    The point wasn’t how many winners had an illness. Most of those lists don’t have a viable nominee thus the winner doesn’t matter. It’s if there’s someone with an illness nominated they’re most likely the winner.

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    ETPhoneHome
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    Also, Hathaway had an illness in Les Mis. Marion Cotillard also had an illness as later in life Piaf. If you count Drug Addiction, then you can include Arkin and Bale. The true test of his statement though, is in the number of nominees playing characters with illnesses that DIDN’T win. Anyone have examples?

    Off the top of my head I can think of (since 2000) Pitt in Benjamin Button, Crowe in A Beautiful Mind, Emmanuelle Riva, Naomi Watts, John Hawkes (I can pretend), Robert Duvall, Laura Dern, Ellen Burstyn, Kidman in Moulin Rouge and Wilkinson in Michael Clayton.

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    Macbeth
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    Well, Keaton’s character in Birdman also had a disease – some type of schizophrenia and depression. 

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    AMG
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    Good God Michael Keaton needs to get his head out of his arse.

    Look how smug he was when he was telling the story about the voter who claimed that his was ‘the best performance he’s ever seen on screen.’

    Why did he even need to tell that story? Why blow your own trumpet so much?  

    An illness doesn’t always win, anyway. The best performance of the year wins. His wasn’t that – according to the majority of Oscar voters. I do wish he’d get over it.  

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    Atypical
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    #186329

    Keaton was relating a harmless anecdote. There was nothing wrong with that or anything “pompous” about it. Very funny clip and sadly a lot of truth to it.

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    Wombat988
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    An illness doesn’t always win, anyway. The best performance of the year wins. His wasn’t that – according to the majority of Oscar voters. I do wish he’d get over it.  

    Really? You really think this is true?

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    AMG
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    [quote=”agloster94″]An illness doesn’t always win, anyway. The best performance of the year wins. His wasn’t that – according to the majority of Oscar voters. I do wish he’d get over it.  

    Really? You really think this is true?[/quote]

    Yes. Particularly in this year’s Best Actor category, where the best performance did win. Much to Keaton’s dismay.  

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    While not every illness-based performance wins, there still is a lot of truth to Keaton’s statement. 

    Look at all the examples over the years:

    Michael Keaton losing to ALS
    Rosamund Pike losing to Alzheimer’s
    Tom Cruise losing to schizophrenia (1996)
    Peter O’Toole losing to mental retardation (1968)
    Michael Fassbender losing to AIDS
    Jesse Eisenberg losing to a stutter
    Liam Neeson losing to AIDS
    Denzel Washington almost losing to schizophrenia (2001)
    Viola Davis losing to dementia (2011)

    While not all illness-based performances are terrible, in fact some of them are fantastic, can’t we just put a stop to this whole trend? I don’t mean to disrespect those who suffer from these illnesses, and I’m not trying to sound cynical, but this whole trend has been done to death. 

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    Wombat988
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    [quote=”Wombat988″][quote=”agloster94″]An illness doesn’t always win, anyway. The best performance of the year wins. His wasn’t that – according to the majority of Oscar voters. I do wish he’d get over it.  

    Really? You really think this is true?[/quote]

    Yes. Particularly in this year’s Best Actor category, where the best performance did win. Much to Keaton’s dismay.  [/quote]

    I’d like to point you to this website, where if you’ll look at the Best Actor Category from 2000-2015, the public believe the academy got it wrong 9/15 times. Including Redmayne’s win over Keaton. http://oscarrevote.com/award/2014/actor

    You really think the academy chooses who wins based on acting talent alone? 

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    AMG
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    [quote=”agloster94″][quote=”Wombat988″][quote=”agloster94″]An illness doesn’t always win, anyway. The best performance of the year wins. His wasn’t that – according to the majority of Oscar voters. I do wish he’d get over it.  

    Really? You really think this is true?[/quote]

    Yes. Particularly in this year’s Best Actor category, where the best performance did win. Much to Keaton’s dismay.  [/quote]

    I’d like to point you to this website, where if you’ll look at the Best Actor Category from 2000-2015, the public believe the academy got it wrong 9/15 times. Including Redmayne’s win over Keaton. http://oscarrevote.com/award/2014/actor

    You really think the academy chooses who wins based on acting talent alone? [/quote]

    Public opinion on who should win is based heavily on the films that the wider public have actually seen. More people saw Birdman & American Sniper, hence why Keaton & Cooper are higher than Redmayne within that poll. 

    No, it obviously isn’t just about the performance, it is a game to win half the time, and the best player of that game can win. But Redmayne was far superior to Keaton. 

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    Wombat988
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    [quote=”Wombat988″][quote=”agloster94″][quote=”Wombat988″][quote=”agloster94″]An illness doesn’t always win, anyway. The best performance of the year wins. His wasn’t that – according to the majority of Oscar voters. I do wish he’d get over it.  

    Really? You really think this is true?[/quote]

    Yes. Particularly in this year’s Best Actor category, where the best performance did win. Much to Keaton’s dismay.  [/quote]

    I’d like to point you to this website, where if you’ll look at the Best Actor Category from 2000-2015, the public believe the academy got it wrong 9/15 times. Including Redmayne’s win over Keaton. http://oscarrevote.com/award/2014/actor

    You really think the academy chooses who wins based on acting talent alone? [/quote]

    Public opinion on who should win is based heavily on the films that the wider public have actually seen. More people saw Birdman & American Sniper, hence why Keaton & Cooper are higher than Redmayne within that poll. 

    No, it obviously isn’t just about the performance, it is a game to win half the time, and the best player of that game can win. But Redmayne was far superior to Keaton. 
    [/quote]

    Well, I was trying to argue that it isn’t always the best performance of the year that grants a win, and you just agreed with me.

    Also, far more people saw The Imitation Game than Theory of Everything, whereas Birdman only made $10b more at the box office than Theory of Everything. Benedict Cumberbatch is not only lower on the list than Redmayne, but by your logic, the gap between Keaton and Redmayne should be a lot smaller.

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