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Is "confusing" Dunkirk really winning Best Film Editing?

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  • GusCruz
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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/confessions-of-an-oscar-voter-why-i-loved-three-billboards-and-dont-get-get-out?via=twitter_page

    I was reading that article above and started to wonder about this. This is an Oscar voter talking about many of this year’s nominated films. When it comes to Dunkirk, he rants that it’s a very confusing movie. This certainly isn’t the first time I’ve heard this: many friends of mine were also confused by that film’s structure, and so were even my parents. I’m pretty sure all of us have heard those complaints from people we know. Somehow, however, this is our frontrunner to take the Oscar for Best Editing. It’s won the ACE Eddie award, but that’s a group that is more specific in its understanding of editing. But it tied with Baby Driver at the Critics Choice.

    Films that win this category almost never are confusing; the Academy, which is a group of people whose knowledge of the craft isn’t high, seem to confuse good editing with watchability. Maybe this is a place for one of the shockers that we have seen in tech categories in recent years. There are certainly strong alternatives, like Baby Driver, ACE Eddie winner I, Tonya and, obviously, The Shape of Water, if it sweeps the tech awards. I have a hard time seeing Three Billboards with a realistic shot.

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    Hunter-ish
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    I am rooting for I, Tonya and Baby Driver. While Dunkirk had the most editing, it certainly didn’t have the best. Frankly, it’s not even in my top 5.

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    pulp50
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    Right now I’m predicting it, but only because I’m not sure what would beat it. Baby Driver has the best editing, but it winning might be wishful thinking. I don’t think losing ACE kills it though because the Academy as a whole will probably appreciate its flashy editing more than I, Tonya. I don’t really see any of the others winning.

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    GusCruz
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    Right now I’m predicting it, but only because I’m not sure what would beat it. Baby Driver has the best editing, but it winning might be wishful thinking. I don’t think losing ACE kills it though because the Academy as a whole will probably appreciate its flashy editing more than I, Tonya. I don’t really see any of the others winning.

    I can see Baby Driver winning Bafta. They “spread the wealth” and had a few upsets last year. Edgar Wright is British, too.

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    I can see Baby Driver winning. It has two other nods and it’s praise for Editing is really passionate. I don’t think Dunkirk wins that much anyways. 2 or 3.

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    I think the people who were confused by it remain in the minority and those impressed by what it was going for vastly outnumber them. The fact that there is no one obvious alternative helps dilute whatever “contrary” vote exists.

    DUNKIRK is also the shortest of the 5 films in that category (and Nolan’s shortest film since FOLLOWING). Bringing a WW2 “epic” down to such a relatively small scale is an exercise in brevity itself, even without all the timelines interlacing. Given that it’s also a good bet for both Sound categories (a combo that’s not uncommon at all), I think its lead is still pretty comfortable.

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    Riley
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    What about how Dunkirk is expected to sweep the sound awards? The story may have been confusing for some, but who did not have trouble hearing the dialogue? Interstellar was the early frontrunner for both sound editing and sound mixing because it just seemed like that kind of film, especially the year after Gravity, but there were so many complaints about its sound that it ultimately lost both to different films and was not even nominated by BAFTA.

    I was just about to bring this up in the BAFTA thread, but their Best Sound category is bonkers anyway. Arrival over their Best Film La La Land and their Best Editing winner Hacksaw Ridge? The Revenant over four-time BAFTA winner Mad Max: Fury Road, which went on to win both sound Oscars? Is Blade Runner 2049, from the same director of Arrival, winning BAFTA Sound?

    I am “confident” that Baby Driver is winning BAFTA Editing because even more than the Oscars in that category, they go for the most editing over Best Picture contenders, most notably awarding Rush over Gravity. The Oscar will be trickier because of that same example. Might have to go with The Shape of Water in kind of an Argo way. Maybe Baby Driver wins The Bourne Ultimatum trifecta?

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    Aameson
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    That interview is funny. Wish we knew who it was. Not exactly the erudite type of individual you’d expect to be a voting member of the Academy.

    There seems to be a backlash mounting against Get Out. A good friend of mine gets visibly irritated and upset whenever he hears somebody praising it lol.. We can obviously see all the people posting here on the forum making statements about how overrated it is and how it has no chance of winning. If it wins I’m going to be lmao..

    Dunkirk was a hollow mess IMO. I suspect most people singing it’s praises may have not cared for it as much as they’ve been claiming. It seems to have this pseudo-intellectual fandom behind it like claiming to like Dunkirk makes you seem smart or something.. “Confusing” is code for other things unsaid.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    What is so confusing about Dunkirk?

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    Riley
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    The story is deliberately confusing to put you in the head space of the soldiers, to say nothing of the nonlinear narrative.

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    GusCruz
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    What is so confusing about Dunkirk?

    I’m trying not to get personal, so I will just say that “confusing” was the word used by the Oscar voter from that article.

    Will The Shape of Water win the most awards? Dunkirk?

    I hope it’s not Dunkirk. Between Darkest Hour and Dunkirk, I didn’t understand Dunkirk. It’s a fine battle picture, but it’s very, very confusing. They constantly switch between night and day. I wasn’t familiar with Dunkirk in my history, and I didn’t know it’s in France. And they never explained it.

    The Post?

    I liked The Post. I know that other people had issues with it because they compared it to the actual events and to All The President’s Men, but where I was not familiar with Dunkirk, I was also not familiar with the events from The Post, and unlike Dunkirk, I was not confused by The Post and I was very enthralled by the narrative.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    The only storyline that last more than a few hours is The Mole (one week) and it tell you right away with the title…Dunkirk is designed to present one event, one moment in time…it’s about that particular crisis, it isn’t the story of one or several soldiers in that beach but the attack on the whole 300,000 human beings trapped in that place.

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    Atypical
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    The sound issue complaints with “Dunkirk” were a real thing. Like why would Nolan cover up Tom Hardy’s mouth AGAIN to muddle his dialogue scenes, not to mention the interlapping speaking scenes with all the roaring planes? I’d be disappointed if this film won either category. Editing is totally gettable, especially if the notion is that it must be rewarded someplace and Nolan is an also-ran in Director. Also, war films do well here with “Hacksaw Ridge” surprisingly winning this category just last year. If that film can win, so can the far better received “Dunkirk,” “confusing” or otherwise.

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    Andrew Carden
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    I suspect it will indeed be Dunkirk in Film Editing (and Cinematography too).

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    How are people watching Darkest Hour for the fifth time?

    The person in the article says: “I wasn’t familiar with Dunkirk in my history, and I didn’t know it’s in France. And they never explained it.”

    They never explained Dunkirk it’s located in France? That’s the problem with the movie?

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