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  • Jason Travis
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    Most, if not all, pundits are predicting Ennio Morricone to finally prevail for his scoring of The Hateful Eight. Is this really a lock? I ask not because I don’t think Morricone is not deserving, but because when voters get their ballots (as mentioned)- they don’t see the names of the composers; only the films. Therefore, are we to assume they are going to check off Tarantino’s movie vs. the likes of the other nominees?

    BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
    Bridge of Spies – Thomas Newman
    Carol – Carter Burwell
    The Hateful Eight – Ennio Morricone
    Sicario – Johan Johannsson
    Star Wars: The Force Awakens  – John Williams

    If we’re going by overdue, then Thomas Newman should be winning this. He also is scoring the only best picture nominee. Bridge of Spies def has more support then Hateful Eight.

    In 2010, most thought Roger Deakins would finally win his overdue award for True Grit. But the Oscar went to Inception. It’s been observed this is because voters only saw the title of the movie and not the cameraman, on their ballots. Shouldn’t the same pertain to the score nominees?

    I have Newman winning; my risky bet. I might change it back. Just wondered what others thought. The music categories have been tricky lately.

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    James Hill III
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    While Deakins is certainly well liked and was discussed as an “overdue” candidate a lot, he’s not nearly at the same level of fame or recognition as Morricone or Williams, who I think is the other likely winner.  Their name doesn’t have to be on it when voters have likely heard more about them specifically than they have about the scores themselves.

    Personally, I’ll be pulling for Carter Burwell’s absolutely gorgeous score for Carol to pull the upset, but I’m picking Hateful Eight and Morricone.

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    thatfilmgirl
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    I’ve been thinking a lot about this the past few days. My only problem is I couldn’t pick who would win other than Morricone. 

    Both Carter Burwell and Thomas Newman have never won, so there’s a good narrative there for the two of them (especially Newman). Williams already has lots of Oscars (including one for Star Wars already). And Johannsson won the Globe last year but failed to score the Oscar. I know they don’t put the names on the ballots, so this fact probably doesn’t help Johannsson at all, plus he’s still relatively “new”. 

    Part of me wants to pick someone other than Morricone but I just can’t decide who would take if from him. 
     

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    KyleBailey
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    It’s as simple as listening to the scores back to back. Hateful Eight is by far the strongest one. Star Wars gets a boost from fimilar themes but Hateful Eight’s score is cool and sets the mood perfectly

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    sturnc
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    Personally, I haven’t even thought about it. The Hateful Eight’s score was the only one that stuck out to me and made me remember it. I’d probably even pick it even if it wasn’t the frontrunner because I think it will stick in voters mind that when they see the movie in the score section of the ballot they will remember it and vote for it.

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    Eddy Q
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    The only thing stopping Morricone from winning would be 1) the Academy really hating The Hateful Eight or 2) voters feeling ultra nostalgic about the Star Wars score (and The Force Awakens is helped somewhat by the fact that it didn’t suck). Bridge of Spies and Carol have only a slim chance (even with Newman’s overdue status) and Sicario none at all. Thing is, Morricone has won the Globe, Critics Choice and BAFTA despite his score being quite sparingly used compared to the other nominees. It makes sense that the Oscars would follow suit.

    While I do think Morricone deserves to win, the best part of the score is admittedly the rejected material from The Thing. But it managed to cross the draconian eligibility threshold, and most voters won’t even know about what’s original and what isn’t.

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    Chevi
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    Most of them will know Morricone is the composer. And the only name as big as Morricone is John Williams.

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    Riley
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    Is Ennio Morricone a more obscure name than John Williams and The Hateful Eight a lesser seen film than The Force Awakens?  Sure, but just like The Hunting Ground over Spectre and Alicia Vikander in The Danish Girl over Kate Winslet in Steve Jobs, this has caught fire this awards season and that is just how it is going to play out.  Morricone has has swept Critics’ Choice, Golden Globe and BAFTA.  Caveats of course that the journalist groups are irrelevant and BAFTA likes Morricone infinitely more than Oscar, as he was five for five with BAFTA before The Hateful Eight, but is zero for five with Oscar.  I think that we can all see the path to an upset, but do not bet on it.

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    The only scenario I can see where Morricone doesn’t win is if enough pro-CAROL fans vote for it across the board just to try to eke out a win somewhere.  Costumes has the best chance, but it’s not unthinkable here since Morricone might have a legendary rep, but most people still tend to gravitate towards films they like and there’s plenty of indication the Haynes films has more fans across more branches.  Ennio’s honorary win (back when it was still part of the main ceremony) is still fairly fresh in people’s minds, so that might be enough to counteract any obligation toward him being “due.”

    Plus people tend to go for scores they remember (whether because it’s anthemic or leaves a deep emotional impression).  Newman blends into the woodwork, SICARIO (while exceptioinal) is more atmospheric and atonal than hummable, and STAR WARS is overly familiar.  But Burwell offers something lush yet delicate and there are plenty of moments where the music does the talking while the camera just observes.  It’s still a long shot, but the only one I think has a chance against EM. 

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    This is one of those things where there are good reasons to be suspicious but without any obvious alternative. Unless you have a legit reason to suspect something else will win then stick with the safe choice.

     

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    Michael Norris
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    The Hateful Eight is the clear frontrunner. DiCaprio and Inside Out are the only two locks of the night.

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    The only question regarding Morricone is how fast the audience will rise to their feet once his name is called.

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    Asgaroth
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    The main questions are…

    – How many voters actually know who Morricone is? and
    – How many of them actually know he composed TH8? (name of the composer is not in the ballot)

    It’s an almost-lock based on precursor performance, but a surprise here it’s definitely possible. Probably Carol, since voters in many cases have used this category to throw a bone to an acclaimed film (nominated for BP or not) that is not going to win anything else, like Il Postino, Finding Neverland, Babel and Atonement. Even Bridge of Spies fits this mold. 

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    I’ve been predicting Thomas Newman/Bridge of Spies for a while now. I’ve never bought into the voters embracing Morricone just because he is overdue. 

    a. I think a lot of voters either didn’t like The Hateful Eight or haven’t even seen the film. A lot of older voters aren’t going to vote for The Hateful Eight for these reasons and out of all the films in the category they are most likely to vote for Bridge of Spies.

    b. Out of the past 16 years of only having one original score category a film with no best picture has won best score only twice. Of those two times one was Frida which had six nominations, many of which were in the craft categories. The only similar situation to compare a The Hateful Eight win to would be in 1999 when The Red Violin won for its only nomination. Not only is Bridge of Spies the only best picture nominee in the category it is also tied with Carol for the most amount of nominations of the five films.

    c. Thomas Newman is overdue. This is his 13th nomination and I think a good chunk of the voters know that. He has also worked with a lot more voters than Morricone.  

    I do worry about a lot of voters just marking off their ballot with the film that they saw won at the Globes or BAFTA. However looking back over the past 16 years BAFTA has only matched the Oscar 7 times and the Golden Globes have only matched it 8 times.

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    I’ve been predicting Thomas Newman/Bridge of Spies for a while now. I’ve never bought into the voters embracing Morricone just because he is overdue. 

    a. I think a lot of voters either didn’t like The Hateful Eight or haven’t even seen the film. A lot of older voters aren’t going to vote for The Hateful Eight for these reasons and out of all the films in the category they are most likely to vote for Bridge of Spies.

    b. Out of the past 16 years of only having one original score category a film with no best picture has won best score only twice. Of those two times one was Frida which had six nominations, many of which were in the craft categories. The only similar situation to compare a The Hateful Eight win to would be in 1999 when The Red Violin won for its only nomination. Not only is Bridge of Spies the only best picture nominee in the category it is also tied with Carol for the most amount of nominations of the five films.

    c. Thomas Newman is overdue. This is his 13th nomination and I think a good chunk of the voters know that. He has also worked with a lot more voters than Morricone.  

    I do worry about a lot of voters just marking off their ballot with the film that they saw won at the Globes or BAFTA. I won;t be surprised if Morricone wins but I just think the cards are against him.

    Didn’t stop 12 Years a Slave from winning best picture. 

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