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  • Tyler The Awesome Guy
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    Before you go and buy your pitchforks and torches, hear me out.

    I am all for more diversity in media, but if this overwhelming need to have a nominee list that is racially diverse end up being a bad thing?

    I mean, if a person of a different ethnic background is up for Oscars, but ends up having a performance/film that is subpar, would that mean that the racially diverse person gets a better chance of getting in over the white guy who made a better film/had a better performance?

    For example, could Denzel Washington get nominated for an Oscar solely because he’s black when loads of people felt his film “Roman J. Israel, Esq.” was a subpar movie and even a subpar performance by some. But the sole fact that he is born an African-American could mean that they see that as reason enough to nominate him so all the SJWs shut up.

    A good movie is a good movie and a good performance is a good performance. If someone who is white makes a good movie/has a good performance then he should be nominated over the black person who made a poor movie/had a poor performance. That’s not racism. I’m sorry but it isn’t. It’s just that that particular year was not his/her year and it should serve as a lesson to try again with your next outing and make a better product. Like everything else in life, if you want to be good in life, you have to earn it.

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    Hunter-ish
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    Blame the industry, not the Oscars. It isn’t their fault they didn’t have any good choices. But it is a bad thing when they ignore those bad choices. But, yes, it is a bad thing.

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    No one ever questions the Academy when subpar white nominees flood their roster because of factors outside the work being recognized. Yet, when nonwhite persons enter the fray everything they do needs to be double checked for legitimacy.

    If Washington is nominated it’ll be because he’s a perennial in a weak year for his category.

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    Macca
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    No one ever questions the Academy when subpar white nominees flood their roster because of factors outside the work being recognized.

    We do. It’s called Meryl Streep.

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    Eric Close
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    No one ever questions the Academy when subpar white nominees flood their roster because of factors outside the work being recognized. Yet, when nonwhite persons enter the fray everything they do needs to be double check for legitimacy.

    If Washington is nominated it’ll be because he’s a perennial in a weak year for his category.

    Sure they do. There were tons of people who thought Bradley Cooper in “American Sniper” and Matt Damon in “The Martian” were poor choices. That’s why #OscarsSoWhite was blown up to the level it was. We simply haven’t had a year yet (in modern history) where there were legitimately no good black movies. Believe me, they’ll know to shut up the year this happens again and they have no arguments to back up their protests.

    And I don’t understand why everyone is saying this is a weak year for some categories. I agree some of these prediction choices are easier to make than others, but I don’t look at the remaining slots like the rest of my choices don’t stand out cause they’re all bad. That tells me more people put in great work this year.

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    Teridax
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    Before you go and buy your pitchforks and torches, hear me out.

    I am all for more diversity in media, but if this overwhelming need to have a nominee list that is racially diverse end up being a bad thing?

    I mean, if a person of a different ethnic background is up for Oscars, but ends up having a performance/film that is subpar, would that mean that the racially diverse person gets a better chance of getting in over the white guy who made a better film/had a better performance?

    For example, could Denzel Washington get nominated for an Oscar solely because he’s black when loads of people felt his film “Roman J. Israel, Esq.” was a subpar movie and even a subpar performance by some. But the sole fact that he is born an African-American could mean that they see that as reason enough to nominate him so all the SJWs shut up.

    A good movie is a good movie and a good performance is a good performance. If someone who is white makes a good movie/has a good performance then he should be nominated over the black person who made a poor movie/had a poor performance. That’s not racism. I’m sorry but it isn’t. It’s just that that particular year was not his/her year and it should serve as a lesson to try again with your next outing and make a better product. Like everything else in life, if you want to be good in life, you have to earn it.

    I agree with you only the genuine best should be rewarded regardless of race, but what about when POC actually star in and/or make great works of art that the Oscars ignore for vastly inferior films starring white people?

    Selma was mediocre in my opinion and I blame the first Oscarsswhite on the industry itself for such a lack of quality films starring non-white people. However, there were no excuses whatsoever for that atrocious and heartbreaking second Oscarssowhite, considering all the masterpieces from black artists there were to choose from. I personally loved Straight Outta Compton, Beasts of No Nation, Dope, and even Creed far more than most of the Best Picture nominees that year, including Spotlight.

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    AviChristiaans
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    Is #OscarSoWite a bad thing? It will be if POC are nominated just to appease the angry media mob and fill a quota. Nominate the work, not the ethnicity or skin color of an actor.

    No, there should not be a default black or POC slot every year at the Oscars. To save face.
    That’s ridiculous. And that’s where we are headed.

    If the performance or work isn’t there to reward, it’s not there. Give people the opportunity to work, that way you might have a variety of performances to give nominations and Oscars to.

    Personally, i feel many people missed the mark and intent of #OscarSoWhite. It is not just about having POC nominees at the Oscars.
    The poor representation and work opportunities POC’s have in the industry was the big takeaway.

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    Julia Spencer
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    Is #OscarSoWite a bad thing? It will be if POC are nominated just to appease the angry media mob and fill a quota. Nominate the work, not the ethnicity or skin color of an actor.

    No, there should not be a default black or POC slot every year at the Oscars. To save face.
    That’s ridiculous. And that’s where we are headed.

    If the performance or work isn’t there to reward, it’s not there. Give people the opportunity to work, that way you might have a variety of performances to give nominations and Oscars to.

    Personally, i feel many people missed the mark and intent of #OscarSoWhite. It is not just about having POC nominees at the Oscars.
    The poor representation and work opportunities POC’s have in the industry was the big takeaway.

    This!!! Love your post! Perfectly said!

    Of course art is subjective and so a performence can be seen as perfect by some and someone else think the opposite. I love Hupperts performence last year but others outright disliked it (but also because of the subject matter). This year – yet again – there are nearly no project with latinos or asian americans and a few with African american. And that – at least for me – is the real problem. How can you nominate POC if there arent really any projects with them?

    I have another problem with this however. Last year every fucking critic group put Ali front and center in the awards conversation for Moonlight and totally didnt care to give any support for other outstanding perforemences in the movie. I really loved Alis scenes in Moonlight but why not champion the other performences too? This year its the same with Mudbound! Blige is the most famous name, so every support goes her way. And even critics said that she is not the best part in the movie, but THE BEST CHANCE for the movie to get recognise. Sorry, but I hate that! Why not go with your choice based on what you thought was the best performence and not go with what you think could help the movie to get more awards.

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    Miles
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    The thing I don’t like about #OscarsSoWhite is that it puts all the blame on the Oscars. But the Oscars are just a collection of what people in Hollywood like the most. The real problem is that black actors and filmmakers aren’t given the same opportunities to make movies that’ll end up at the Oscars. You can’t nominate a movie that doesn’t exist. It has to be given the chance to be made. We need to be focusing on that instead of the Oscars.

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    Teridax
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    The thing I don’t like about #OscarsSoWhite is that it puts all the blame on the Oscars. But the Oscars are just a collection of what people in Hollywood like the most. The real problem is that black actors and filmmakers aren’t given the same opportunities to make movies that’ll end up at the Oscars. You can’t nominate a movie that doesn’t exist. It has to be given the chance to be made. We need to be focusing on that instead of the Oscars.

    My point was that a bunch of those movies actually were made in 2015 and were passed over by the Oscars. Straight Outta Compton, Beasts of No Nation, Dope, and Creed ALL received critical acclaim. Surely Compton could have made the cut, since it got nominated by PGA and SAG? But no, apparently The Revenant, Bridge of Spies, The Martian, and Brooklyn were more culturally significant. Not saying that those were bad movies by any means, but you can’t say those great movies starring and made by non-white people don’t exist when they do now and did for the 2nd Oscarssowhite. The first year all you had was the mediocre Selma so you could blame the industry, while the second you had the movies but the Oscars chose not to nominate any of them (although Compton’s white writers and white Stallone interestingly still made the cut). The second #Oscarssowhite was all on the Oscars themselves.

    This year Get Out, generally considered one of the years best films, is too strong a contender for that hashtag to return, thankfully.

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    VanRoberts
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    The thing I don’t like about #OscarsSoWhite is that it puts all the blame on the Oscars. But the Oscars are just a collection of what people in Hollywood like the most. The real problem is that black actors and filmmakers aren’t given the same opportunities to make movies that’ll end up at the Oscars. You can’t nominate a movie that doesn’t exist. It has to be given the chance to be made. We need to be focusing on that instead of the Oscars.

    Not just black actors. Many different minorities would like to see their stories on screen when they go to the movies, in all different genres. That’s why Get Out resonates. What an explosion of new talent.

    Denzel Washington almost doesn’t count. He’s been a well accepted movie star for decades. People want to see fresh talent of all races respresented. Not the same old dinosaurs every year.

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    Golddenny
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    The best performance should get nominated, full stop. If anything OscarsSoWhite should just serves to open people’s eyes and creates a boost about the lack of opportunities for the minorities in the industry.

    But next time, try to use a better example than Washington whose performance is raved by 90% of the reviews. He got some very few negatives reviews but so does the frontrunner, Gary Oldman.

    If anything, the strength of a movie should be a little less a factor to get some (unworthy) performances a nomination.

     

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    FreemanGriffin
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    My problem with identity politics and “Oscars so white” is the emotional blackmail component. I don’t believe they should go out of their way to nominate people based on their color or gender or any other criteria besides whether they honestly think it’s the best work in their respective categories. It is so subjective anyway – each category has way more than five deserving nominees so of course some will get snubbed (there is no such thing as a ‘weak’ year). In the same way I wouldn’t vote for a political candidate due to their gender, sexuality, or if they are transgender, or race without knowing what their actual policy positions are (if they are against global corporatist and war machine profiteering they get my vote regardless of what race, gender, sexuality, etc. they are – and I have stopped voting for all Republicrats – Republicans and Democrats, due to the complete and total corruption of those two corporate war parties). It’s the same way with performances. I believed that Michael B Jordan should have been nominated a few years ago for Fruitvale Station; when there are black actors and actresses that deserve recognition they ought to be recognized but not simply because of their color.

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    The gatekeepers prefer the heat aimed squarely at the Oscars themselves. Hollywood itself has no interest in relinquishing its stranglehold of patriarchal white supremacist practice. No woman currently runs a major studio. And not a single nonwhite person has ever been hired to run a major studio.

    Some of you only have Superman vision for nonwhite mediocrity. Funny how that works?

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    Julia Spencer
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    Denzel Washington almost doesn’t count. He’s been a well accepted movie star for decades. People want to see fresh talent of races respresented. Not the same old dinosaurs every year.[/all quote]

    Ähm, there is only one human race, but I guess I get what you are saying. America is a melting pot of so many diffent cultures and its the shame that we only see one point of view.

    I really like to discover new actors on screen like a Timothee Chamalet or a Daniela Vega. A Gina Rodgriguez – who has proved that she can carry a show on her shoulders – isnt given any lead roles, the same with asian americans like constance wu.

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