Is Sly Stallone this years Lauren Bacall?

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  • AayaanUpadhyaya
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    In 1996, Lauren Bacall was considered by everyone to be the absolute favourite to win supporting actress . She had the momentum, the narrative was building, the overdue legend making a comeback, the standing ovations were there, she had it all. Except, it was her first ever Oscar nominaton and It wasn’t that critically aclaimed a movie.

    Creed certainly got a lot more critical acclaim than Bacall’s film, but isn’t Stallone mostly being considered the frontrunner or the lock because of the comback performance? the narrative and those standing ovations? the status of him being the overdue legend?? If so is he vulnerable at the Oscars? Also, just like Bacal’s film, creed doesn’t have many nominations. In fact, Stallone is its only nomination. Add to this the fact that he missed out on SAG and BAFTA for nods, I really don’t see how he can be considered a lock. Can Rylance (Best Picture Nominee, hit all precursors) or Ruffalo (Best Picture Nominee, never won after many nods) pull this off? Or is all this redundant and Rocky Balboa really has this completely locked? 

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    Baby Clyde
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    I don’t think he’s a lock at all.

    Sylvester Stallone is hardly some beloved Hollywood acting legend. He’s not overdue. I agree that the narrative works in his favous as does the fact there isn’t one definite alternative for everyone to rally around but do you really think Academy members are going to think that the man with 10 Razzies is really deserving of the highest honour the industry can bestow.

    For every Don Amechie, Jack Palance, James Coburn, Alan Arkin and Christopher Plummer that they do award there is a Sylvia Sidney, Fred Astaire, Burgess Meredith, Mickey Rooney, Anne Sothern, Lauren Bacall, Gloria Stewart, Burt Reynolds, Albert Finney, Alan Alda, Ruby Dee, Hal Holbrook, Max Von Sydow that they don’t.

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    babypook
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    You’ve put your foot smack down on my concerns for Stallone.

    Still, it’s Oscar. They can and do show emotional support as well as “forgiveness” (Chaplin, Polanski)

    Stallone has a previous acting nomination whereas, Bacall did not. As I recall, her demeanor was nowhere near the ‘humbleness’ that Stallone is showing. It looks sincere.

    I think he’s going to win.  But, I’m not feeling confident that he will.

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    Moviebuff22
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    I’m Stallone doesn’t win I believe it will be Tom Hardy. But after last night Stallone is the clear favorite

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    OnTheAisle
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    I recall talk that Bacall lost, because folks did not want to hear her thank Streisand. After snubs for Yentl and The Prince of Tides, it was clearly evident that Barbra had lost support among the film community.

    I think people are looking forward to hearing Stallone praise his African American director.

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    Well, it’s not the same because Stallone was the Oscar-nominated actor and writer of a Best Picture winner but won nothing himself. And this is the first follow-up to that film considered to be itself good.

    I believe the only other Oscar nominee for wtg + acting for a film who never got an Oscar is Troisi, whose noms were posthumous and for a foreign-language film. 

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    AMG
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    Found out that Creed did not have screeners for BAFTA voters, and it wasn’t out in the UK until last Friday (15th). Voters had no way of seeing the film, and hence could not vote for it anywhere.

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    Joseph
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    Found out that Creed did not have screeners for BAFTA voters, and it wasn’t out in the UK until last Friday (15th). Voters had no way of seeing the film, and hence could not vote for it anywhere.

    But BAFTA voters still voted for Bryan Cranston in Best Actor, even though Trumbo isn’t out until February 5th in the UK, which makes his inclusion all the surprising. Voters did have the opportunity to seek out Creed, but the promotion made it seem like it was not an film that would be considered for awards, hence the SAG snub. That being said, I still think Stallone is out front for the Oscar, despite his film being the only one of the nominees that isn’t up for Best Picture. He just has the better narrative, and is seeming like he is campaigning harder than his competitors, even though Christian Bale is getting out there more than I thought he would.

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    Baby Clyde
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    I clearly remember Tom writing on this forum a decade or so ago that Bacall lost because she was, and I quote, ‘a notorious cunt’.

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    Sasha
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    There’s a big difference between Stallone and Bacall, he’s an older man (and those almost always win in supporting actor category) and she was an older woman. Older women never win at Oscars either in supporting or especially in leading (unless their name is Meryl Streep).

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    AMG
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    [quote=”agloster94″]

    Found out that Creed did not have screeners for BAFTA voters, and it wasn’t out in the UK until last Friday (15th). Voters had no way of seeing the film, and hence could not vote for it anywhere.

    But BAFTA voters still voted for Bryan Cranston in Best Actor, even though Trumbo isn’t out until February 5th in the UK, which makes his inclusion all the surprising. Voters did have the opportunity to seek out Creed, but the promotion made it seem like it was not an film that would be considered for awards, hence the SAG snub. That being said, I still think Stallone is out front for the Oscar, despite his film being the only one of the nominees that isn’t up for Best Picture. He just has the better narrative, and is seeming like he is campaigning harder than his competitors, even though Christian Bale is getting out there more than I thought he would.
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    Yes, so they obviously got sent screeners of Trumbo – but they didn’t for Creed. In the UK, there was no opportunity to see Creed for BAFTA voters.

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    Baby Clyde
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    There’s a big difference between Stallone and Bacall, he’s an older man (and those almost always win in supporting actor category) and she was an older woman. Older women never win at Oscars either in supporting or especially in leading (unless their name is Meryl Streep).

    I thought this as I wrote the list above. Despite women generally living longer it’s 75% male with no female winner at all. In fact the whole ‘Career Award’ thing doesn’t really seem to apply to women.

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    Joseph
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    [quote=”JosephT”]

    [quote=”agloster94″]

    Found out that Creed did not have screeners for BAFTA voters, and it wasn’t out in the UK until last Friday (15th). Voters had no way of seeing the film, and hence could not vote for it anywhere.

    But BAFTA voters still voted for Bryan Cranston in Best Actor, even though Trumbo isn’t out until February 5th in the UK, which makes his inclusion all the surprising. Voters did have the opportunity to seek out Creed, but the promotion made it seem like it was not an film that would be considered for awards, hence the SAG snub. That being said, I still think Stallone is out front for the Oscar, despite his film being the only one of the nominees that isn’t up for Best Picture. He just has the better narrative, and is seeming like he is campaigning harder than his competitors, even though Christian Bale is getting out there more than I thought he would.
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    Yes, so they obviously got sent screeners of Trumbo – but they didn’t for Creed. In the UK, there was no opportunity to see Creed for BAFTA voters.

     

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    OK, fair enough. It’s just my theory is that with BAFTA, if you’re in a film released in January you have a shot, with a February release, you are likely to be left out (see Her, Dallas Buyers Club, Selma, etc.). Blame the studio for him being left out, even though I think Rylance would still have this, even if he did make the line-up.

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    Milk Money
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    No, Bacall was in a bad film directed by a woman many in Hollywood couldn’t stand. Bacall was respected, but not that well liked either. It was the making of a perfect storm for a Binoche upset.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    #211331

    Well for once there’s no a film like The English Patient in the race with one of its lead characters running in a supporting category (remember the lead character with the best performance in the frontrunner not only to win best picture but to clean with the whole Oscar awards).

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