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    I keep going back to Pan’s Labyrinth when I think of Shape of Water, as that was the last Guillermo del Toro film to receive more than one Oscar nomination. That film won three Oscars (Makeup, Art Direction and Cinematography) and lost three (Screenplay, Score and Foreign Film). It was the favorite to win Foreign Film, as the Bafta winner in that category (it lost the Globe to Letters from Iwo Jima) and because of its many nominations; I remember that whoever read The Lives of Others when opening the envelope (I believe it was Blanchett, but I could be wrong) looked disappointed and shocked. Back then the explanation seemed to be that the upset came from the nature of that category’s voting, which usually resulted in more conservative winners (Pan’s Labyrinth was a fantasy film with a kid at the center). But maybe that was a sign of how the Academy responds to del Toro films. Shape of Water could repeat that film’s Oscar performance: winning a few tech categories but losing Writing and Film (and the acting ones too). It’s bound to take Directing as well, but that seems to have become just an extension of the small tech categories recently anyway.

    On a personal note: Pan’s Labyrinth is a much better film than Shape of Water.

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    pulp50
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    Lol, no it’s definitely not. But I agree Pan’s Labyrinth is the better film, It should have won Picture and Director.

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    No- Even though Pan’s Labyrinth would have been nominated for Best Picture if there were more then 5 nominees back then, the film was definitely not like The Shape Of Water, which has more then twice the nominations that Pan’s Labyrinth got, which includes Best Director and three acting nominations. If there were only 5 nominees for Best Picture this year, The Shape Of Water would have gotten in.

    I could see it losing Best Picture though although right now it is the frontrunner.

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    Much respect to him for pulling it off but knowing what there is to know about Guillermo I found Shape of Water obnoxiously self gratifying, trifling and non-innovational.

    When I was watching it I couldn’t help but repeatedly roll my eyes thinking about all the interviews and tours he’s given inside his loft with all the Lon Chaney-esque, “golden age of cinema” monster statues and macabre relics he’s spent his lifetime obsessing over and collecting.

    About 5 seconds in I was thinking “here we go..”

    I understand that “borrowing” is an accepted if not encouraged practice in the movie business and “making something that the artist themselves would want to see” gets drilled into filmmakers heads by their schools and mentors but this felt very, very heavy handed in terms of the design and structure elements.

    I knew what to expect but to see the actual rendering of it made me a little embarrassed for him.

    I’m sure Mr. Del Toro is off somewhere right now at this very moment having a private moment with himself watching it again haha..

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    Hope that doesn’t seem too harsh.. I thought everything about it was well done. I almost regret more having watched those interviews he’s done in his loft than anything else lol.

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    GusCruz
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    No- Even though Pan’s Labyrinth would have been nominated for Best Picture if there were more then 5 nominees back then, the film was definitely not like The Shape Of Water, which has more then twice the nominations that Pan’s Labyrinth got, which includes Best Director and three acting nominations. If there were only 5 nominees for Best Picture this year, The Shape Of Water would have gotten in.

    I could see it losing Best Picture though although right now it is the frontrunner.

    I didn’t think I would have to explain this, but apparently I do. My comparison is obviously not exact; of course I know Shape has 13 nominations. But anyone can see that one of those films is a foreign production and the other has famous American and British actors and made more money, and undeniably has been more embraced. But what I’m wondering is if AT THE END of things it’ll sort of end up kind of where Pan’s Labyrinth did, stuck with just tech wins + director (which nowadays is a category that rewards technical achievements anyways), but will lose a Film category (like Labyrinth did despite being the frontrunner and having tons of nominations) and Writing, and this time acting too, because of genre bias.

    Is the question so laughable that deserves the kind of “Lol no” reply from people that should know better? I don’t think so.

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    No- Even though Pan’s Labyrinth would have been nominated for Best Picture if there were more then 5 nominees back then, the film was definitely not like The Shape Of Water, which has more then twice the nominations that Pan’s Labyrinth got, which includes Best Director and three acting nominations. If there were only 5 nominees for Best Picture this year, The Shape Of Water would have gotten in. I could see it losing Best Picture though although right now it is the frontrunner.

     

    I agree. Had we still had the five-nominee system for Best Picture, I believe the nominees would’ve been Call Me By Your NameDunkirkLady BirdThe Shape of Water, and Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri.

    Darkest HourGet OutPhantom Thread, and The Post probably would’ve been snubbed had the Academy not expanded the number of Best Picture nominees to more than five.

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    Lord Freddy Blackfyre
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    The title of this threat is an insult to Pan’s Labyrinth

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    The Shape of Water will not be another Pan’s Labyrinth, it will be another Benjamin Button, with only 3 wins from 13 nominations: Director, Production Design and Original Score.

    PS: The Shape of Water is garbage when compared with Pan’s Labyrinth on terms of quality

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    GusCruz
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    The title of this threat is an insult to Pan’s Labyrinth

    Your post is insulting to me. I made sure to write on the first post that it’s indeed much better than Shape.

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