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  • Daniel Montgomery
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    It’s been a while since someone won a second Oscar in the supporting category after winning as a lead. Christoph Waltz and Michael Caine won twice as supporting actors. Hilary Swank, Sean Penn, and Daniel Day-Lewis won multiple as leads. Cate Blanchett, Kevin Spacey, and Denzel Washington won supporting, then lead.

    But going the opposite way hasn’t happened in a while. I think the last to do it was Gene Hackman, who won supporting in “Unforgiven,” but that was two decades after his leading win for “French Connection.” And before that was Jack Nicholson in “Terms of Endearment” after “One Flew.” Both of those supporting wins were for Best Picture winners, which certainly didn’t hurt.

    I suspect it has something to do with perception. If you win supporting and your career keeps taking off, you might be considered due a promotion down the line (like Blanchett), but if you’ve already won for a leading role, there isn’t as much urgency to award you again for a smaller part.

    Thoughts? Are the Oscars reluctant to “downgrade” an actor for their second win, or is it mostly a coincidence?

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    All I know is she’s going to get nominated. And if Rooney & Alicia will be gone, she can even win. I don’t buy this JJL shit talk.

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    OnTheAisle
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    Actually Kate Winslet, if nominated as a supporting actress, is in good company.

    There are a healthy number of younger actors who receive recognition for leading roles and then move into character roles as they age and receive recognition as supporting players. It is interesting to note how in later years the time between lead and supporting nominations continues to diminish till we see lead one year and supporting the next.

    5 Won for lead role(s) and then won for a supporting role

    Helen Hayes

    1931 The Sin of Madelon Claudet (lead)

    1970 Airport (supporting win)

    Ingrid Bergman

    1944 Gaslight (lead win)

    1948 Anastasia (lead win)

    1974 Murder on the Orient Express (supporting win)

    Maggie Smith

    1969 The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie (lead win)

    1977 California Suite (supporting win)

    Gene Hackman

    1971 The French Connection (lead win)

    1992 Unforgiven (supporting win)

    Jack Nicholson

    1975 One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (lead win)

    1983 Terms of Endearment (supporting win)

     

    27 Won for lead role(s) and then were nominated for supporting role(s)

    Victor McLaglen

    1935 The Informer (lead win)

    1952 The Quiet Man (supporting nomination)

    Jennifer Jones

    1943 The Song of Bernadette (lead win)

    1944 Since You Went Away (supporting nomination)

    Laurence Olivier

    1948 Hamlet (lead win)

    1976 Marathon Man (supporting nomination)

    Marlon Brando

    1954 On The Waterfront (lead win)

    1972 The Godfather (lead win)

    1989 A Dry White Season (supporting nomination)

    Alec Guinness

    1958 The Bridge on the River Kwai (lead win)

    1977 Star Wars (supporting nomination)

    1988 Little Dorrit (supporting nomination)

    Maximilian Schell

    1961 Judgement at Nuremberg (lead win)

    1977 Julia (supporting nomination)

    Paul Scofield

    1966 A Man for All Seasons (lead win)

    1994 Quiz Show (supporting nomination)

    Maggie Smith

    1969 The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie (lead win)

    1986 A Room wIth a View (supporting nomination)

    2001 Gosford Park (supporting nomination)

    Jane Fonda

    1971 Klute (lead win)

    1978 Coming Home (lead win)

    1981 On Golden Pond (supporting nomination)

    Jack Nicholson

    1975 One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (lead win)

    1981 Reds (supporting nomination)

    1992 A Few Good Men (supporting nomination)

    Jon Voight

    1978 Coming Home (lead win)

    2001 Ali (supporting nomination)

    Sally Field

    1979 Norma Rae (lead win)

    1984 Places in the Heart (lead win)

    2012 Lincoln (supporting nomination)

    Robert De Niro

    1980 Raging Bull (lead win)

    2012 The Silver Linings Playbook (supporting nomination)

    Meryl Streep

    1982 Sophie’s Choice (lead win)

    2002 Adaptation (supporting nomination)

    2011 The Iron Lady (lead win)

    2014 Into the Woods (supporting nomination)

    Robert Duvall

    1983 Tender Mercies (lead win)

    1998 A Civil Action (supporting nomination)

    2014 The Judge (supporting nomination)

    Paul Newman

    1986 The Color of Money (lead win)

    2002 The Road to Perdition (supporting nomination)

    Jessica Tandy

    1989 Driving Miss Daisy (lead win)

    1991 Fried Green Tomatoes (supporting nomination)

    Kathy Bates

    1990 Misery (lead win)

    1998 Primary Colors (supporting nomination)

    2002 About Schmidt (supporting nomination)

    Anthony Hopins

    1991 The Silence of the Lambs (lead win)

    1997 Amistad (supporting nomination)

    Emma Thompson

    1992 Howards End (lead win)

    1993 In The Name of the Father (supporting nomination)

    Holly Hunter

    1993 The Piano (lead)

    2003 Thirteen (supporting nomination)

    Geoffrey Rush

    1996 Shine (lead)

    1998 Shakespeare in Love (supporting nomination)

    2010 The King’s Speech (supporting nomination)

    Frances McDormand

    1995 Fargo (lead win)

    2000 Almost Famous (supporting nomination)

    2005 North Country (supporting nomination)

    Helen Hunt

    1997 As Good As It Gets (lead win)

    2012 The Sessions (supporting nomination)

    Julia Roberts

    2000 Erin Brokovich (lead win)

    2013 August Osage County (supporting nomination)

    Philip Seymour Hoffman

    2005 Capote (lead win)

    2007 Charlie Wilson’s War (supporting nomination)

    2008 Doubt (supporting nomination)

    2012 The Master (supporting nomination)

    Jennifer Lawrence

    2012 The Silver Linings Playbook (lead win)

    2013 American Hustle (supporting nomination)

     

    19 Nominated for lead role(s) and then won for supporting role(s)

    Walter Huston

    1936 Dodsworth (lead nomination)

    1941 All That Money Can Buy (lead nomination)

    1948 Treasure of Sierra Madre (supporting win)

    Shelley Winters

    1951 A Place in The Sun (lead nomination)

    1959 The Diary of Anne Frank (supporting win)

    1965 A Patch of Blue (supporting win)

    Ingrid Bergman

    1943 For Whom The Bell Tolls (lead nomination)

    1945 The Bells of St. Marys (lead nomination)

    1948 Joan of Arc (lead nomination)

    1974 Murder on the Orient Express (supporting win)

    Vanessa Redgrave

    1966 Morgan (lead nomination)

    1968 Isadora (lead nomination)

    1971 Mary, Queen of Scots (lead nomination)

    1977 Julia (supporting win)

    Maggie Smith

    1972 Travels with My Aunt (lead nomination)

    1978 California Suite (supporting win)

    Melvyn Douglas

    1970 I Never Sang for My Father (lead nomination)

    1979 Being There (supporting win)

    Jack Nicholson

    1970 Five Easy Pieces (lead nomination)

    1973 The Last Detail (lead nomination)

    1974 Chinatown (lead nomination)

    1983 Terms of Endearment (supporting win)

    Michael Caine

    1966 Alfie (lead nomination)

    1972 Sleuth (lead nomination)

    1983 Educating Rita (lead nomination)

    1986 Hannah and Her Sister (supporting win)

    1999 The Cider House Rules (supporting win)

    Whoopi Goldberg

    1985 The Color Purple (lead nomination)

    1990 Ghost (supporting win)

    Gene Hackman

    1988 Mississippi Burning (lead nomination)

    1992 Unforgiven (supporting win)

    Robin Williams

    1987 Good Morning Vietnam (lead nomination)

    1989 Dead Poets Society (lead nomination)

    1991 The Fisher King (lead nomination)

    1997 Good Will Hunting (supporting win)

    Judi Dench

    1997 Mrs. Brown (lead nomination)

    1998 Shakespeare in Love (supporting win)

    Renee Zellweger

    2001 Bridget Jones’s Diary (lead nomination)

    2002 Chicago (lead nomination)

    2003 Cold Mountain (supporting win)

    Morgan Freeman

    1989 Driving Miss Daisy (lead nomination)

    1994 The Shawshank Redemption (lead nomination)

    2004 Million Dollar Baby (supporting win)

    Cate Blanchett

    1998 Elizabeth (lead nomination)

    2004 The Aviator (supporting win)

    Alan Arkin

    1966 The Russians are Coming The Russians are Coming (lead nomination)

    1968 The Heart is a Lonely Hunter (lead nomination)

    2006 Little Miss Sunshine (supporting win)

    Javier Bardem

    2000 Before Night Falls (lead nomination)

    2007 No Country for Old Men (supporting win)

    Heath Ledger

    2005 Brokeback Mountain (lead nomination)

    2008 The Dark Knight (supporting win)

    Anne Hathaway

    2008 Rachel Getting Married (lead nomination)

    2012 Les Miserables (supporting win)

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    babypook
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    Thanks OnTheAisle!

    (How long did it take you to put this list together?)

    Apparently, the mantra is, LEAD is the ‘important’ category. Supporting, is apparently ‘below’ some with status.

    Hogwash imo. An Oscar, is an Oscar. When I think of the many, many worthy thespians and directors and crew who are without,

    “…lead, supporting…I’m the one with the gun”   

    Ash 

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    OnTheAisle
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    ^A misspent youth memorizing award histories makes the task relatively quick and painless

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    Daniel Montgomery
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    Thanks OnTheAisle!

    Still kind of a rare feat. Out of the 40 actors who have won multiple Oscars, only 5 ever happened to win a supporting award after winning a lead award. 

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    benbraddock
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    If anyone can do it, its WINSLET…. she is one of
    the greats and can easily have 2 oscars…
    FONDA  can also win in supporting..and she would
    join Bergman as the only 3 time winner with 2 leads
    first, then supporting… 

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    babypook
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    If anyone can do it, its WINSLET…. she is one of
    the greats and can easily have 2 oscars
    FONDA  can also win in supporting..and she would
    join Bergman as the only 3 time winner with 2 leads
    first, then supporting… 

    For which films? Or perhaps, for a film she wasnt nominated in and could have?

    She is very good here. Reminded me of why she has an Oscar, and also her talent.

    I adore Fonda btw. I’m not sure she can win, or even if they nominate her, but it would be mighty grand were that to happen.

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