Leonard DiCaprio VS. Christoph Waltz

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  • Emmys2011
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    It´s been quite the battle between the two django unchained actors, assuming samuel l. jackson has virtually no chance at all, who do you think will end up making it into the oscar lineup…?

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    dannyboy.
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    I sort of feel the same way I do for Leo that I do for several others, if he isn’t going to win, why keep nominating him? He isn’t Streep who already had two and should just go along for the ride.. I saw Django though and Waltz was clearly the best in the film and clearly a Lead, so voting for him here made me hesitate for a minute.

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    Emmys2011
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    I agree that waltz is lead but apparently both are going for the supporting nomination, that´s why I created the poll, cause I have no idea who will be nominated.

    The poll is more of a prediction than a preference though…

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    Spenser Davis
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    I hate that they’re in the same category – Waltz is a lead and has no business competing against his cast mates who have a relatively smaller amount of screentime and prominence in the film.

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    Daniel B.
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    It´s been quite the battle between the two django unchained actors, assuming samuel l. jackson has virtually no chance at all, who do you think will end up making it into the oscar lineup…?

    I wouldn’t say that Samuel L. Jackson has no chance at all.  He may be a longshot, but he is an overdue, respected, veteran actor, who could actually benefit from all of the exposure for Waltz, DiCaprio, and Django Unchained in general.  Check out this topic I started that breaks down how Jackson could actually sneak into the Oscar nominations this year.

    With all of that being said, I still think Waltz has the best chance of being nominated for Supporting Actor this year.  Leo could get in, but AMPAS has not yet nominated one of DiCaprio’s performances unless they were first approved with a SAG nomination, so a snub is entirely possible.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see either one nominated, or both, or neither. It’s really up in the air.  SAG’s all-Oscar-winning lineup for this category seems kind of boring, so AMPAS may want to shake things up a bit.

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    [quote=”emmys2011″]It´s been quite the battle between the two django unchained actors, assuming samuel l. jackson has virtually no chance at all, who do you think will end up making it into the oscar lineup…?

    I wouldn’t say that Samuel L. Jackson has no chance at all.  He may be a longshot, but he is an overdue, respected, veteran actor, who could actually benefit from all of the exposure for Waltz, DiCaprio, and Django Unchained in general.  Check out this topic I started that breaks down how Jackson could actually sneak into the Oscar nominations this year.

    With all of that being said, I still think Waltz has the best chance of being nominated for Supporting Actor this year.  Leo could get in, but AMPAS has not yet nominated one of DiCaprio’s performances unless they were first approved with a SAG nomination, so a snub is entirely possible.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see either one nominated, or both, or neither. It’s really up in the air.  SAG’s all-Oscar-winning lineup for this category seems kind of boring, so AMPAS may want to shake things up a bit.[/quote]

    Thanks for the link, you have a good point and I take back the cero chance of his but I still dont think this is the year that will happen like you argued in your thread, mainly because he has not one but two other competitors (from the same film) way in front of him and nobody is talking about him and everyone is talking about the DiCaprio/Waltz duo so even though it could technically happen….I dont think it will + he has cero precursor awards, nt even the tiniest of the critics groups. Now dont get me wrong, I don´t love samuel l. jackson very much (mainly because of his role choices) but there is something about his tarantino roles that woww me every single time so he is deserving (and should´ve won for pulp fiction!)…

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    Daniel B.
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    I hate that they’re in the same category – Waltz is a lead and has no business competing against his cast mates who have a relatively smaller amount of screentime and prominence in the film.

    I think there are several justifiable reasons why Waltz has been getting precursor nominations in the supporting category:

    The lead actor race is way too strong.  Perhaps voters loved Waltz’s performance in Django Unchained, but not enough to boot either Daniel Day-Lewis, Denzel Washington, John Hawkes, Joaquin Phoenix, Bradley Cooper, or Hugh Jackman off their ballot.  Picking one of those six men to boot would be hard enough, but to pick off two?  Also, there are a lot other names that voters might want to see nominated as well (Jack Black, Anthony Hopkins, Richard Gere, Ben Affleck, Bill Murray, etc.), that are generating a lot of love, but voters just cannot justify putting any of their names on the supporting actor ballot as they are clearly the lead character.

    Meanwhile, the supporting actor race is a bit dull. There are no performances as exciting or iconic as previous winners (Heath Ledger’s Joker, Waltz’s Hans Landa, Javier Bardem’s Anton Chigurh), or any veteran actors long overdue for their first win (like that of Christopher Plummer in Beginners, Alan Arkin in Little Miss Sunshine, or Morgan Freeman in Million Dollar Baby), or any A-list actors that landed the “right” role to get them an Oscar nomination and win (like Christian Bale in The Figher, or George Clooney in Syriana).  The top contenders (Tommy Lee Jones, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Alan Arkin) are previous winners that in some cases were lucky to win, and all are far from overdue for a second win. With no performances in the supporting actor race voters are really passionate about, they may feel more inclined to “give up” some of those spots for roles (like Waltz’s performance in Django) that they might have nominated in the lead category in a different year.

    With the film being called Django Unchained, and Waltz essentially being the Robin/Dr. Watson/Han Solo to Jamie Foxx’s character, they can justify their actions for putting Waltz on the supporting ballot, even if he has the most dialogue or appears in a significant part of the film.

    Who knows? We might even end up seeing Joaquin Phoenix nominated for Supporting Actor this year for the same reason!

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    PJ Edwards
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    It all depends on who is being pushed and my money is on DiCaprio. 

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    Daniel B.
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    Thanks for the link, you have a good point and I take back the cero chance of his but I still dont think this is the year that will happen like you argued in your thread, mainly because he has not one but two other competitors (from the same film) way in front of him and nobody is talking about him and everyone is talking about the DiCaprio/Waltz duo so even though it could technically happen….I dont think it will + he has cero precursor awards, nt even the tiniest of the critics groups. Now dont get me wrong, I don´t love samuel l. jackson very much (mainly because of his role choices) but there is something about his tarantino roles that woww me every single time so he is deserving (and should´ve won for pulp fiction!)…

    Jackson does have an Image Award nomination for his role, but I know what you mean. Nominations from larger critics groups would be a bit more promising for an Oscar nomination.

    I also agree with you on most of Jackson’s career choices, and how Tarantino really brings out the best in him.  This is his first significant role in one of his flicks since Jackie Brown 15 years ago, so I’m hoping this is a sign he will start to have more prominent roles in his films.  I would love to see Jackson get more Oscar nominations (a nomination for Django would certainly encourage Tarantino to write Jackson some juicier roles, like he did for Christoph Waltz after he won the Oscar), and someday win for a Tarantino role. It would somewhat justify (or at least recognize) his deserving performance for Pulp Fiction.

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    Daniel B.
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    #81193

    It all depends on who is being pushed and my money is on DiCaprio. 

    Good point. When Weinstein says that “DiCaprio will get nominated,” which apparently he has, that probably puts him in the best position for a nomination from the Django men. 

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    Spenser Davis
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    Daniel B., I understand the thinking behind Waltz being dropped down, but it is still category fraud, moreso than Philip Seymour Hoffman in “The Master” was.

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    Renaton
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    Harvey said Sienna Miller was gonna get a nomination for “Factory Girl”. Do not think Harvey has the power to absolutely guarentee nominations by sheer will power. He will invest to make it happen, but doesn’t mean Leo is the one he is giving the bigger push.

    He probably knows Waltz stands a better chance. He will just fight the hardest to pull off double nominees there. People read too much in boasting and statements like that. 

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    If Django Unchained wasn’t called “Django Unchained”, I bet Waltz’s character wouldn’t even be considered a “supporting” role. But that said, he is the deuteragonist, and not the protagonist, so it’s understandable. Nevertheless, he’s a terrific actor who should get nominated no matter what!

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    Daniel B.
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    Daniel B., I understand the thinking behind Waltz being dropped down, but it is still category fraud, moreso than Philip Seymour Hoffman in “The Master” was.

    Who would be committing fraud, the campaigners or the voters?

    If it’s the campaigners who are committing fraud, it should be remembered that Waltz was submitted in lead at SAG.  If it’s the voters that are committing fraud, shouldn’t we let the voters speak their mind without being told where to vote for people?

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    babypook
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    Category issues aside, I was really hoping this perf might just do it for Leo. Imo, nope. I dont think so. I was hoping for the same (win) for Amy. No.
    Do we really believe Samuel can sneak in here? I am still processing his perf. I just dont know. I still feel somewhat embarassed by his Stephen. I’d be happy for him if it happens, but right now I dont think I’m in his camp.

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