Maggie Smith, Helen Mirren and others – are they done?

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  • Anonymous
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    #211134

    Maggie Smith (“The Lady in the Van” “The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel”); Jane Fonda (“Youth”) and Helen Mirren (“Woman in Gold” “Trumbo” “Hichcock”) were three of those actresses who were once Oscar darlings, but then suddenly they have failed to earn another Oscar nomination in their career.

    I mean let’s face the facts. In a year like this, for Helen Mirren to achieve a nomination in either of those categories would have been so easy. Especially for “Trumbo” for which Bryan Cranston is an actual Oscar-nominee. But yet, she has failed. And so does Maggie Smith. “The Lady in the Van” is one sad thing, but I’m more shocked about her “The Best Excotic Marigold Hotel” snub back in 2012 – a typicial baity ‘mean old lady who is nice after all’ type of performance in a box office hit and well-liked film, and yet, she has failed to make the cut for it in one of the weakest categories ever where Jacki Weaver “Silver Linings Playbook” was an actual nominee. I don’t care that Jacki Weaver was in a BP contender…Maggie Smith is a legend and she could have been such a strong runner-up to Hathaway if the Oscars would still be in love with her.

    So is this a thing…? They move on from certain actresses? Like they did after Susan Sarandon won? And they also haven’t nominated Jodie Foster again (not even for brilliant “Concact”). Where is Kathy Bates, Jessica Lange, Frances McDormand (“Burn After Reading”) Alfre Woodard (she could have been such an easy nominee for “12 Years a Slave” ala Lupita Nyong’o) and others?

    Yes it’s true, that there are not many “worthy” roles for women in their age unfortunately, but it’s not true that there aren’t any….because sometimes there are roles for them and they are even SNUBBED for these. So are they done? It’s the end? Should we accept that?

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    24Emmy
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    #211136

    No. There’s always a chance they’ll get a great role in the future and at least occupy the veteran slot like Charlotte Rampling this year.

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    Charlotte was never an Oscar-darling. It’s her first ever nomination. I’m talking about Oscar-wise very beloved actresses who seem to fail lately a lot to achieve a nomination

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    Nashmic
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    For Maggie Smith maybe her being MIA in all those Award Shows might have a big Factor. 

    Reason is perhaps she is too old for Award Ceremonies. She’s had a long career and won enough awards. Most Actors attend Award Shows to gain them further publicity – something she clearly doesnt need or want. She’s 81 for christ sake. 

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    OnTheAisle
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    The most obvious example is Shirley MacLaine, nothing after a win for Terms of Endearment three decades ago. Yet, she remains a vital, popular actress. How could she have been snubbed for so much top notch work including Postcards from the Edge, Steel Magnolias, Bernie, In Her Shoes and Madame Sousatzka?

    Sally Field was also in this boat for decades after her second win in 1984 till Lincoln. She was overlooked by Oscar for fine performances in Steel Magnolias, Punchline, Forrest Gump, and Murphy’s Romance.

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    Sally Field was also in this boat for decades after her second win in 1984 till Lincoln. She was overlooked by Oscar for fine performances in Steel Magnolias, Punchline, Forrest Gump, and Murphy’s Romance.

    Very true. I’d add Soapdish to that list. How did she miss at the Globes?

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    Rooney Moore
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    Because the only reason why these ladies were in Oscar conversation for those roles in the first place, was because of their names. No one who saw Mirren’s performance in Trumbo didn’t scream ”Oscar” .Was anyone really rooting for her? All the other women in contention had more going for them and the only argument we could use for Mirren was ”She’s beloved”.  I’m glad it didn’t end up that way.
    Everyone starts to talk about the award chances for Meryl Streep, Judi Dench, or other names that have mentioned above whenever they have anything remotely baity, even before seeing their actual performances and get disappointed after they get snubbed. But thankfully AMPAS aren’t that lazy.

    Like Emmy24 said they need to get better roles to prove that they have more than their names to deserve that Academy Award nomination. Those grumpy old lady parts are really Oscar bait, but they have to be in films that are more widely seen and acclaimed to be part of the conversation.

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    Joe Burns
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    Mirren is someone who I’m sure will be back before long- She’s missed mostly due to the strength of the other contenders.  In weaker years, she would have made it for Hitchcock and for Trumbo. She has still has plenty of chances to gain a nomination and maybe even a second win.  Smith is someone that will never campaign and who doesn’t really need any more Oscar attention.  Fonda needs a larger role in a more popular film to gain any attention.  I would love to see it happen because she is a true legend.  Too bad she was snubbed this year.  

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    Jason Travis
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    Wow Maggie Smith is only 81??? I swear she was that age when I saw Hook (1991). Apparently she wasn’t even 60 in that movie. 

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    No one’s “done”. They all can have another chance any time. Winslet might not be that old, but people had quite given up on her when years after her win nothing happened and now another Globe win.
    I only have doubts about Lily Tomlin….
    But I’d LOVE to be prooven wrong.

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    If they’re not dead, they’re not done.

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    Tonbone
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    The most obvious example is Shirley MacLaine, nothing after a win for Terms of Endearment three decades ago. Yet, she remains a vital, popular actress. How could she have been snubbed for so much top notch work including Postcards from the Edge, Steel Magnolias, Bernie, In Her Shoes and Madame Sousatzka?

    Sally Field was also in this boat for decades after her second win in 1984 till Lincoln. She was overlooked by Oscar for fine performances in Steel Magnolias, Punchline, Forrest Gump, and Murphy’s Romance.

    It boggles my mind that she was not nominated for the movie yet she gave an amazing performance.

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    Mirren will be back – she would have been in this year had McAdams not been in one of the frontrunners for Best Picture. 

    I think times have changed far too much since Dame Maggie was last at the Oscars, now it is almost impossible for a sole contender of a film to get into the field if they don’t campaign. 

    The game has changed so that part of the nomination (and winner) decision is performance based, and the other is who can put themselves out there the most. It has diminished the central pull of the Oscars – honouring the best. It is evident from the past 15 years – how many actors have won for being ‘overdue’ because their competitors in previous years were better at the schmoozing? McConaughey over DiCaprio quite notably stands out to me here. DiCaprio arguably wouldn’t be leading the race with his performance this year had he won, rightfully, for The Wolf of Wall Street over the actor who put himself out there the most, Matthew McConaughey – who won for Dallas Buyers Club. 

    Maggie Smith isn’t the kind of actor who is arsed entirely about awards – it isn’t why she does the job. She doesn’t need to promote a film heavily to make it a hit. Just look at the UK Box Office for The Lady In The Van and for The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel. She alone is a pull for many audience members. 

    Helen Mirren’s next (probably period piece) autumn/winter release leading role will get her a nomination again. This year was more of a blip for her because of the category frauds and roles in Best Picture frontrunners. 

    Even if neither get a nomination again, I don’t think they’ll care. They just want to keep on working, and can stay at home looking at all their awards on their illustrious mantlepieces and have a little chuckle to themselves, knowing they won Oscars when it was truly about the performance – and not about the chase.

     

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    Maybe June Squibb, Bruce Dern, Alan Arkin, Max Von Sydow, Christopher Plummer and Ruby Dee have something to say about this.

    Anybody can get nominated at whatever age in any given year. It’s true that we could in a very pesimistic way asume they’ll never be back because of their age, but anything is possible as those examples have shown in recent years. 

    If you want to go deeper into this: Jessica Lange hasn’t done anything Oscar worthy since Blue Sky, maybe A Thousand Acres (Globe nominee). Susan Sarandon I believe had three other “they look worthy” films: Stepmom (wasn’t goign to get nominated for that), Igby Goes Down (probably nobody saw it) and Anywhere But Here (forgotten). What has Kathy Bates done since About Schmidt except shitty comedies or rom coms? Maybe she and Sarandon were Oscar worthy in Tammy, lol. Alfre Woodard has focused on television, what else has she done? I believe she was in the conversation for Passion Fish, Enchanted April one of those small films from 92-93, can’t remember which one was it, nothing else. Jane Fonda actually kind of retired and came back with a JLo film and now had Youth which clearly the Academy didn’t see, they just listened to a song because it’s requiered for the category to move forward. In that particular year Burn After Reading wasn’t going anywhere and it’s only been 10 years since McDormand’s last nomination. And Jodie Foster hasn’t done an Oscar worthy thing since Silence of the Lambs, not even Contact and in that year, she wasn’t going anywhere with that considering who was left behind in Best Actress in 1997.

    Again, if you had made this list in 2007 with legendary actresses who would never be nominated you would’ve included Ruby Dee. Not June Squibb because nobody knew who she was, at least not by name. Somebody might have mentioned Bruce Dern and before 2006 Alan Arkin would’ve been on the list. He would’ve shown up again in a list like this before Argo because of his age as somebody who would never get another nomination.

    Anything can happen. 
     

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    I wonder what will happen next year with Sally Field. She has this upcoming film “Hello, My name is Doris” which looks quite fun and she is so delightful in the trailer.
    It looks like a more interesting performance than recent Maggie Smith and Helen Mirren works. Who knows, maybe she’ll be back next year. 

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