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  • Marcus Dixon
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    There is a strange rule at the Oscars that says an actor or actress cannot be nominated twice (or more) in the same category in a given year. In other words, if “Philadelphia” and “Forrest Gump” had both been released the same year, Tom Hanks would have had to choose between his two Oscar vehicles and he’d only be a one-time winner. Isn’t that absurd?

    Other categories allow the same person to be nominated twice — like Steven Soderbergh as Best Director of both “Traffic” and “Erin Brockovich” in 2000. So why are actors any different? If someone like Cate Blanchette legitimately has two lead performances within a calendar year (“Carol” and “Truth”), she shouldn’t have to choose between them.

    Should this archaic rule be thrown out, or do you actually agree with it?

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    Bradley Weir
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    Absolutely. Oscars should be about awarding the performance, so it’s ridiculous why somebody can’t have multiple performances nominated.

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    Riley
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    #197223

    Yep.

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    zordon
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    #197224

    Fully agree!

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    ETPhoneHome
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    #197225

    I feel like that’s just an oversight that nobody got around to fixing yet. It really should be corrected, because a great performance is a great performance. I feel like it may only change though when Meryl Streep has 2 lead roles in the same year.

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    KyleBailey
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    Meryl is just as much as an actress as anyone else. I wish people would stop disrespecting her like she is some high above goddess that needs to be ignored for the rest of time since she has 19 noms. Who cares! John Williams is in his 20s and no one bats an eye when he gets 2 in one year. But that is a perfect segway. Why are composers allowed 2 in one year but not actors? In terms of work, composers and actors usually have the most credits in one year. Why aren’t they treated as equals? 

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    ETPhoneHome
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    Meryl is just as much as an actress as anyone else. I wish people would stop disrespecting her like she is some high above goddess that needs to be ignored for the rest of time since she has 19 noms. Who cares! John Williams is in his 20s and no one bats an eye when he gets 2 in one year. But that is a perfect segway. Why are composers allowed 2 in one year but not actors? In terms of work, composers and actors usually have the most credits in one year. Why aren’t they treated as equals? 

    The only reason I used Streep as an example, is just because she really only does one lead role a year, and they are always in the conversation. Blanchett has two this year, but it doesn’t seem to be bringing up the precedent like I imagine someone with her academy precedent being jilted by this rule. I honestly don’t mean any disrespect, it’s exactly the opposite actually.

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    CanadianFan
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    100% agree.

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    tennisfreak
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    If I had to guess its probably because the acting branch in the 30’s decided on this rule. First, it prevents vote splitting in both the nomination and then final voting. This probably kept actors who had significant blocs of support from their studios from accidentally cannibalizing their support. We have seen it happen in recent years where because the nomination process requires 1/6 + 1 first place votes, an actor has had issues getting a nom when they had two worthy performances (think Scarlet Johannsen in 2003 for Lost in Translation and Girl With the Pearl Earring). It’s why people play games with the system to get a double nomination (Jamie Foxx in 2004, Leo DiCaprio in 2006, Kate Winslet in 2008). With the acting branch being so large, it seems mathematically almost impossible for someone to score a double nom no matter how deserving.

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    Patrick
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    I agree. As mentioned above, in most of the other categories, you can be nominated twice. It’s only fair for it to be the same for the acting categories. It’s not like this would really happen that often, anyways. Maybe once every five years, if that.

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    Asgaroth
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    I agree. In every category a same person can be nominated twice or even more, and I don’t see any valid argument for the acting races to be the exception.

    Nevertheless, the reason they want to prevent a same actor being nominated twice or more in a same category is obvious: if allowed, a final lineup like this might have happened:

    2011: Best Actress in a Supporting Role

    Jessica Chastain – Coriolanus
    Jessica Chastain – The Help
    Jessica Chastain – Take Shelter
    Jessica Chastain – The Tree of Life
    Octava Spencer – The Help

    Highly unlikely, but still possible.   

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    KyleBailey
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    [quote=”KyleBailey”]

    Meryl is just as much as an actress as anyone else. I wish people would stop disrespecting her like she is some high above goddess that needs to be ignored for the rest of time since she has 19 noms. Who cares! John Williams is in his 20s and no one bats an eye when he gets 2 in one year. But that is a perfect segway. Why are composers allowed 2 in one year but not actors? In terms of work, composers and actors usually have the most credits in one year. Why aren’t they treated as equals? 

    The only reason I used Streep as an example, is just because she really only does one lead role a year, and they are always in the conversation. Blanchett has two this year, but it doesn’t seem to be bringing up the precedent like I imagine someone with her academy precedent being jilted by this rule. I honestly don’t mean any disrespect, it’s exactly the opposite actually.
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    My apologizes I read that wrong. 

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    Teridax
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    #197233

    I support this idea because then Leonardo Dicaprio would have been nominated for his LEADING roles in BOTH Blood Diamond and The Departed, instead of just the former.

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    But why would ANYONE want to be nominated in the same category with themselves and split THEIR OWN support? 

    It’s even hard enough to win if you’re nominated with your cast member in the same category, it’d be near impossible to win if you gave two equal performance in the same category, same year.

    We should be realistic. 1 win is far more better than 2 nominations for every sane person.
    Yes, it’s a good idea on paper that  ”A performance should be recognized, not the actor’s name” but we all know that is not happening at the Oscars, particuarly in the acting categories.
    Sometimes they do award the performance, sometimes they got influenced by the campaign, sometimes they just feel sympathy for the nominee, sometimes they award the career as a whole and sometimes they award all the performances that have been given by the actor in that particular year.

    1-If same person could be nominated twice, that means less performers are being recognized that year and the less diversity is always bad news for every other possible candidate.
    2-As I’ve explained above it also wouldn’t be good news for the performer who got recognized multiple times, either.
    If they nominated Winslet twice in Leading category in 2009 she would have made a press release and begged the voters to vote for her performance in The Reader, not Revoloutinary Road, if they want her to win something.

    See?No one would benefit from this except for us, the Oscar fans on the forum, who want to see %100 fair race.
    As for why this rule is only valid for Acting categories, it’s probably a preferance thing by actors. And the executives can’t force them to do something that no one in their branch don’t want.
    Actors are the face of everything and people are and always will be voting for various reasons other than the material itself.
    It’s not the same for editors, cinematographers, or composers. They can be nominated twice or thrice in the same category and can still win with their best work, because no one knows/cares their personal life, they just vote for what they think is the better one most of the time, as they should be.

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    MrGoodWood
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    But why would ANYONE want to be nominated in the same category with themselves and split THEIR OWN support? 

    It’s even hard enough to win if you’re nominated with your cast member in the same category, it’d be near impossible to win if you gave two equal performance in the same category, same year.

    We should be realistic. 1 win is far more better than 2 nominations for every sane person.
    Yes, it’s a good idea on paper that  ”A performance should be recognized, not the actor’s name” but we all know that is not happening at the Oscars, particuarly in the acting categories.
    Sometimes they do award the performance, sometimes they got influenced by the campaign, sometimes they just feel sympathy for the nominee, sometimes they award the career as a whole and sometimes they award all the performances that have been given by the actor in that particular year.

    1-If same person could be nominated twice, that means less performer are being recognized that year and the less diversity is always bad news for every other possible candidate.
    2-As I’ve explained above it also wouldn’t be good news for the performer who got recognized multiple times, either.
    If they nominated Winslet twice in Leading category in 2009 she would have made a press release and begged the voters to vote for her performance in The Reader, not Revoloutinary Road, if they want her to win something.

    See?No one would benefit from this except for us who want to see %100 fair race.
    As for why this rule is only valid for Acting categories, it’s probably a preferance thing by actors. And the executives can’t force them to do something that no one in their branch don’t want.
    Actors are the face of everything and people are and always will be voting for various reasons other than the material itself.
    It’s not the same for editors, cinematographers, or composers.
    They can be nominated twice or thrice in the same category and can still win with their best work, because no one knows/cares their personal life, they just vote for what they think is the better one most of the time, as they should be.

    That’s a huge misconception people have. Having two nominees from the same film usually helps the stronger/flashier performance of the two (Melissa Leo, Octavia Spencer, Dianne Wiest, Timothy Hutton…)
    Furthermore, Steven Soderbergh in 2000 and Alexandre Desplat last year were nominated for two projects and won for the stronger one.

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