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January 28, 2017 at 6:24 pm #1201997433
Do you think the results ever really surprised her?
I’d say 1981 and French Lieutenant’s Woman and to a lesser extent Iron Lady were the only times she really couldn’t have guessed what the vote would be.
(although how about The Deer Hunter? Was there any expectations that would sweep her along to a win?)January 28, 2017 at 6:36 pm #1201997440
2008 may not have been super clear-cut with her winning SAG and Winslet’s supporting performance in lead. She could have thought that was her elusvie third Oscar. Maybe.January 28, 2017 at 6:54 pm #1201997445
also, what if she won in 1981. Do you think she’d have still won the next year for Sophie’s Choice or would Jessica Lange have won for Frances?January 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm #1201997446
Sophie’s Choice was one of those undeniable performances that stand for the test of time, so I think she would’ve won that as well had Katharine Hepburn not been there for On Golden Pond the year before. She had won the Golden Globe and the BAFTA for French Lieutenants Woman.January 28, 2017 at 7:41 pm #1201997464
also, what if she won in 1981. Do you think she’d have still won the next year for Sophie’s Choice or would Jessica Lange have won for Frances?
I think if anyone could’ve pulled off back to back victories during that time era, it would’ve & could’ve been Meryl.January 28, 2017 at 8:16 pm #1201997472
If she won for French Lieutenant’s Women, I think she wouldn’t win for Sophie’s Choice. Winning the third Oscar at 30 something is impossible, right? The youngest to win the third acting Oscar is Walter Brennan at 45 but all are supporting. The rest of them won their third after 55.January 28, 2017 at 8:27 pm #1201997475
I think she probably was expecting to win for ADAPTATIONJanuary 28, 2017 at 9:06 pm #1201997493
She was great in the 80s.January 28, 2017 at 11:03 pm #1201997531
Diane Keaton deserved a second Oscar for Reds (1981).January 28, 2017 at 11:08 pm #1201997533
I think she probably was expecting to win for ADAPTATION
Because of the stinginess of the actor’s branch with the amount of competitive wins an actor can have and their two tier system of Lead and Supporting — Streep wasn’t going to win a second Oscar in the Supporting category when she’s a mainstay in Best Actress and had yet to win another.
3/7: Ingrid Bergman (2 Lead, 1 Supp)
3/12: Jack Nicholson (2 Lead, 1 Supp)
3/20: Meryl Streep (2 Lead, 1 Supp)
This is why De Niro couldn’t win a 3rd in supporting, why Caine will never win lead, why Waltz is no threat to win lead. When an actor wins in both categories they only triple it for a lead win.January 28, 2017 at 11:09 pm #1201997535
I’d vote for Keaton in Reds over Streep in French…
She herself has said she’s not totally happy with her work in that one.
I don’t think she’d have thought she’d win for Adaptation. Zeta Jones won SAG and was pretty heavily favored that year.January 29, 2017 at 1:14 am #1201997576
Streep must have had great momentum in 2002. Yes, CZJ won the SAG, but Meryl was not nominated due to mistakingly putting her in lead for both performances. Anyway, she was front and center at the SAG Awards that year. If you look at the speech transcripts or look for videos on Youtube, both Edie Falco and Megan Mullally mentioned her in their speeches and they mentioned her as a Goddess.
She must have been close in 1981 but Hepburn probably was a sentimental favorite. I actually don’t like Diane Ketaon in Reds. I have a hard time responding to this film. Anyway, Hepburn has a terrible record of winning for really mediocre work. On Golden Pond? Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner where she barely registers. She has one scene (with her colleague in the end) and she plays it in the obvious way. It’s one of the worst performances to win best actress, and that in a killer year for women. Her first Oscar is for a totally bland performance. The Lion In Winter is her sole really good Oscar-winning performance. And ironically, she tied for it.January 29, 2017 at 3:24 am #1201997612
I would guess Henry Fonda helped sweep Hepburn to a win for On Golden Pond. I’ve read Keaton and Streep were favorites to win but there was a lot of apathy towards the performances. I guess they split votes. (I’d bet Marsha Mason even got some votes since she’d never won before and it was her 4th nomination.)January 29, 2017 at 7:08 am #1201997687
Keaton seems like tne potential winner instead of Hepburn in 1981. Streep had won two years before and winning a third Oscar seems weird in 1982 having won her first in 79, second in 81, debuting just in 77. Sure she had the most impressive early careers: debuts in a BP nominee, following with two consecutive BP wins, a nomination and win for herself, and non stop nominations since then. But 3 acting Oscars in 4 years at 30 something years old? Including two back to back lead wins and again, debuting just 5 years earlier? Seems like a lot for anybody.
I think even her 1981 win could’ve denied by voters because of this excess of nominations and possible wins, and losing for Sophie’s Choice would’ve been ridiculous, best to leave things as they happened.
As for her own predictions for herself, I think she could’ve expected it only in 2011. She doesn’t seem to be a potential winner for any other performance except for 79, 81, 82. Much less think for herself she actually had a shot. 2002 was a nice year for her, a comeback of sorts, but she had to know Zeta-Jones had that one locked up. She won the Globe because Zeta-Jones was in lead, plain and simple. But yes, that was the only other year besides 2008, 2009 when she might have been at least a clear runner up (but a far runner up, so even then, no. She knew Winslet and Bullock were easy winners.)
What she might have thought for herself was a double nomination in 2002 for The Hours. But wins? She probably only saw a huge chance in 2011 and she got it.
Sidenote: when discussing French Liutenants Woman don’t consider BAFTA. First, it was after the 1981 Oscars. Streep might have won, but she was alone. Both Keaton and Hepburn were nominated the following year, Hepburn won. Don’t consider Globes either as they have zero issue with over rewarding people see: Streep herself, Zellweger, Kidman, Jolie, Lawrence, Adams, Crowe.
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