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  • Nessie
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    I am a Brit and I LOVE Fassbender, Hardy, Hiddleston, Cumberbatch and I worry about them. Michael Caine is a great actor, but all the acclaim he should receive has been diluted by the mountain of bad films he has appeared in.

    A few years back, both Ewan McGregor and Jude Law were considered the Next Big Thing: brilliant actors (and hot, too). Their careers have been smothered by the number of mediocre films they signed on to.

    Now Fassy, Hardy, Hiddleston and Cumberbatch: if you check out the imdb, it is astonishing: there is NO film they won’t do! Hopefully, many of the films they are making/will make, will be masterpieces, but honestly there must be a lot of drivel in there as well. Will they keep the heat on their careers or disappear into irrelevance because there is no paycheque they won’t cash?

    I finally saw “The Counselor”. I idolise Ridley Scott and Michael Fassbender and I refrained from watching their humiliation for as long as I possibly could. That was the worst film I have ever seen. If Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem can be excused for not understanding just how awful the dialogue was (as they are not English mother tongue), what excuse did Fassy have? He starred in the execrable “Prometheus”. Now he’ll star in the sequel (as if the first one wasn’t bad enough).

    Johnny Depp’s track record over recent years is appalling and yet Cumberbatch has signed on to play his brother in the Whitey Bulgur film (which I’m sure the world didn’t need).

    Hardy is starring in an unnecessary remake of Mad Max and another totally unnecessary remake of Peter Medak’s The Krays.

    Hiddleston will play Hank Williams in a biopic (yes, the world has been waiting for that one). 

    Why do British actors go from blazing hot to tepid… to ice cold? Do they need better U.S. agents? To learn that “resting” for an actor is not necessarily a bad thing? 

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    babypook
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    Peter Medak’s The Krays.
    Hiddleston will play Hank Williams in a biopic

    These could be very interesting indeed. The remake of The Krays especially, although Hank Williams is certainly do-able as well. They’d have a lot to live up to imo, judging from the originals at least.

     

    I disagree with your take on Michael Caine. Imo, he’s one of the best, regardless of what he’s in, and he remains one of the best all time actors, ever.

    Jmho.

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    BrokenFan
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    lolol ‘The Counselor’ was excellent! I’m totally being serious, one of the best from last year imo. 

    But I don’t think doing a boat load of films hurt them. You know actors gotta find work as much while they can cuz one never knows. I think as long as they balance between doing mainstream and small projects, they should be fine. All of them were a part of huge block buster too so there’s that.  

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    Pavel Romanov
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    Most of the actors take roles no matter their quality because they want money and they are at the peak of the acting career (their 30s).

    Ewan MacGregor was once considered the next big thing? I guess I missed that. His inability to do an American accent has probably hurt him. I think most of these actors will fade into lesser parts like Law, who really did seem like he might’ve been the next big thing.

    Trivia: Caine was too busy to accept his Oscar for Hannah and Her Sisters because he was shooting JAWS 3: The Revenge. 

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    Sasha
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    Leave “The Counselor” alone! It’s misunderstood masterpiece, way ahead of its time. Yes, Fassy has given the weakest performance of the main cast but his character was a lifeless bore. I do not blame him for that. On the other hand Pitt, Bardem and especially Diaz were fantastic. Cameron should have walked away with that Oscar. Still can’t get over how much overlooked this movie and her performance were by awards bodies.

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    Cheshire
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    Man’s gotta get paid it help pays the bills.

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    BrokenFan
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    Leave “The Counselor” alone! It’s misunderstood masterpiece, way ahead of its time. Yes, Fassy has given the weakest performance of the main cast but his character was a lifeless bore. I do not blame him for that. On the other hand Pitt, Bardem and especially Diaz were fantastic. Cameron should have walked away with that Oscar. Still can’t get over how much overlooked this movie and her performance were by awards bodies.

    Yes to  ALL of this. 

     

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    Baby Clyde
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    I am a Brit and I LOVE Fassbender, Hardy, Hiddleston, Cumberbatch and I worry about them. Michael Caine is a great actor, but all the acclaim he should receive has been diluted by the mountain of bad films he has appeared in.

    A few years back, both Ewan McGregor and Jude Law were considered the Next Big Thing: brilliant actors (and hot, too). Their careers have been smothered by the number of mediocre films they signed on to.

    Now Fassy, Hardy, Hiddleston and Cumberbatch: if you check out the imdb, it is astonishing: there is NO film they won’t do! Hopefully, many of the films they are making/will make, will be masterpieces, but honestly there must be a lot of drivel in there as well. Will they keep the heat on their careers or disappear into irrelevance because there is no paycheque they won’t cash?

    I finally saw “The Counselor”. I idolise Ridley Scott and Michael Fassbender and I refrained from watching their humiliation for as long as I possibly could. That was the worst film I have ever seen. If Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem can be excused for not understanding just how awful the dialogue was (as they are not English mother tongue), what excuse did Fassy have? He starred in the execrable “Prometheus”. Now he’ll star in the sequel (as if the first one wasn’t bad enough).

    Johnny Depp’s track record over recent years is appalling and yet Cumberbatch has signed on to play his brother in the Whitey Bulgur film (which I’m sure the world didn’t need).

    Hardy is starring in an unnecessary remake of Mad Max and another totally unnecessary remake of Peter Medak’s The Krays.

    Hiddleston will play Hank Williams in a biopic (yes, the world has been waiting for that one). 

    Why do British actors go from blazing hot to tepid… to ice cold? Do they need better U.S. agents? To learn that “resting” for an actor is not necessarily a bad thing? 

    Apart from the bit about Michael Caine being a great actor, there is so much truth in this post.

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    Nessie
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    Leave “The Counselor” alone! It’s misunderstood masterpiece, way ahead of its time. Yes, Fassy has given the weakest performance of the main cast but his character was a lifeless bore. I do not blame him for that. On the other hand Pitt, Bardem and especially Diaz were fantastic. Cameron should have walked away with that Oscar. Still can’t get over how much overlooked this movie and her performance were by awards bodies.

    Er, I’m speechless. If only they had been, too…. Cameron Diaz, Oscar winner? The mind boggles.  

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    Nessie
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    “Apart from the bit about Michael Caine being a great actor, there is so much truth in this post.”

    Educating Rita, Man Who Would be King, Sleuth, Mona Lisa, The Wrong Box, Hannah and Her Sisters, The Prestige, Alfie.. and Dressed to Kill! If he had just been more selective, he’d be considered to be the greatest (and most naturalistic, least mannered) actor alive.

    But the wholesale “I’ll act in any film that wants me” the others are starting to emulate will certainly kill off their careers. Grrr. They start so well and self-destruct through poor management. American actors are savvier.

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    Tom Hardy should not be put in the same category as people like Fassbender. Locke was a critical hit, The Drop looks singular and very interesting, he recently got cast in a Iñarritu movie with DiCaprio, he’s most likely going to be the lead of the new Kathryn Bigelow film and you have literally no idea how the Mad Max remake is going to be like. Refrain yourself to talk about my idol of you have no arguments to back your point.

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    Michael Caine is one of the greatest living actors.  Who gives a doot that his voice/accent usually remains constant.  He loves to work…it keeps him going.  Should he have hung up the boots after Quiet American (a role that deservedly put him in a very competitive acting category)?  No.  Also, it’s always great when people embrace new names and appreciate them in greatest actor conversations; it’s so boring when the American media always shoves DeNiro and Pacino as the greatest.

    [quote=”Natasha”]Leave “The Counselor” alone! It’s misunderstood masterpiece, way ahead of its time. Yes, Fassy has given the weakest performance of the main cast but his character was a lifeless bore. I do not blame him for that. On the other hand Pitt, Bardem and especially Diaz were fantastic. Cameron should have walked away with that Oscar. Still can’t get over how much overlooked this movie and her performance were by awards bodies.

    Er, I’m speechless. If only they had been, too…. Cameron Diaz, Oscar winner? The mind boggles.  [/quote]

    Well, Matthew McConaughey now has one, so anything’s possible when you have a great PR team and agent behind you. 

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    Nessie
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    Michael Caine is one of the greatest living actors.  Who gives a doot that his voice/accent usually remains constant.  He loves to work…it keeps him going.  Should he have hung up the boots after Quiet American (a role that deservedly put him in a very competitive acting category)?  No.  Also, it’s always great when people embrace new names and appreciate them in greatest actor conversations; it’s so boring when the American media always shoves DeNiro and Pacino as the greatest.

    [quote=”Nessie”][quote=”Natasha”]Leave “The Counselor” alone! It’s misunderstood masterpiece, way ahead of its time. Yes, Fassy has given the weakest performance of the main cast but his character was a lifeless bore. I do not blame him for that. On the other hand Pitt, Bardem and especially Diaz were fantastic. Cameron should have walked away with that Oscar. Still can’t get over how much overlooked this movie and her performance were by awards bodies.

    Er, I’m speechless. If only they had been, too…. Cameron Diaz, Oscar winner? The mind boggles.  [/quote]

    Well, Matthew McConaughey now has one, so anything’s possible when you have a great PR team and agent behind you. [/quote]

    You missed my point. Michael Caine is my favourite actor. He is brilliant, but he has never been recognised for the great actor he is because of all the dreck he has acted in (that and his naturalistic style doesn’t impress American critics like method actors’ flamboyance and theatrics do). I think De Niro and Pacino finally have seen their own reputations dim because of their poor choices. And Anthony Hopkins? Don’t get me started. He can be such a great actor, but just can’t resist a paycheque. I don’t want these other actors who have the potential to be among the greatest (Fassbender, Hardy et al.) to follow in his footsteps because they make poor choices and seem to be unable to pass on a job.

    As for McConaughey, he is an interesting comparison: if you’ve seen Killer Joe, Mud and True Detective, you’ll know he’s a great actor and probably the actor giving the most compelling performances out there.  And he is on a winning streak: he (or his agent?) seems to have infallible taste for picking roles. With the possible exception of Paperboy (but I loved it, a true campfest, which was originally supposed to be directed by Almodovar), he has executed a “sans faute” since Lincoln Lawyer. True Detective SHOULD have been a disaster: an unknown author/showrunner, a young director who really hadn’t been tested (Sin Nombre was very interesting, Jane Eyre wasn’t), Cary Fukunaga, a TV series when he was trying to build his reputation as a serious cinema actor?? Crazy, but it was a phenomenon.

    Maybe British actors should ask McConaughey ( or his agent) for some advice… 

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    McConaughey is no doubt one of the most fascinating actors out there right now. Don’t forget he has Interstellar coming out (a clever way of leading a blockbuster without going into cheap territory) and that movie with Gus Van Sant. The man is unstoppable.

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    Sorry, I was more replying to the idea of Michael Caine “not” being a great actor.  No, you certainly have good points about how bad films can dilute the great work.  Certainly for Anthony Hopkins.  He hasn’t been in a good film since, I don’t know.  I watched Remains of the Day recently and he’s great when the material is great.  When he or De Niro or even Caine start appearing in everything, not only are they undervalued, but they start to parody themselves.  That’s why some people think Caine is nothing more than an accent and Hopkins can only do over-the-top theatrics and horror.  I don’t know what McConaughey suddenly figured out.  If you go back only five years ago it’d seem absurd that he’d be an Oscar winner, while so many other lead actors were not.  I wonder what happened behind the scenes.  He would say he had a revelation, but I think it was much more than that; they were probably trying to extend his career prospects as he gets older.  Maybe he got a new agent.  Fassbender’s an interesting case.  He wasn’t very convincing in The Counselor; I was laughing when he was breaking down at the end.  Not a good sign.  Some actors have a gift of being utterly convincing in anything they are in, with unstoppable charisma.  Connery had that when he was working, even when he took on parts like a Soviet submarine captain and didn’t drop his Scottish accent; he’s probably another case of someone who took big paychecks…but he was always an action star, even when he also did prestige pictures (including a significant collaboration with Sidney Lumet that no one remembers).  There’s someone who never had a lead acting nomination and has at least four films that could have merited it.

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