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  • Jason Travis
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    I was thinking about this the other day. What films would have won the Oscar had they been nominated? Often we get sure-things for Oscar nominations that we actually predict could win, and then they end up missing the boat. But who do you think would have actually WON the Oscar, if they had been remembered? I will add some of my own opinions below, sorry if I forget some- just thinking on top of my head:

    BEST PICTURE (1952):
    Singin’ in the Rain

    BEST PICTURE (1959):
    Some Like It Hot

    BEST PICTURE (1968):
    2001: A Space Odyssey

    BEST ACTOR (1948):
    Humphrey Bogart, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

    BEST ACTRESS (1938):
    Katharine Hepburn, Bringing Up Baby

    BEST ACTRESS (1995):
    Nicole Kidman, To Die For

    BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS (1939):
    Margaret Hamilton, The Wizard of Oz

    BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS (1963):
    Ann-Marget, Bye Bye Birdie

    BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS (1992):
    Michelle Pfeiffer, Batman Returns

    BEST DIRECTOR (1995):
    Ron Howard, Apollo 13

    BEST DIRECTOR (2012):
    Ben Affleck, Argo

    BEST ORIGINAL SCORE (1960):
    Psycho, Bernard Herrmann 

    BEST ORIGINAL SCORE (1966):
    The Good, The Bad & The Ugly (Ennio Morricone)

    BEST ORIGINAL SCORE (1993):
    Jurassic Park, John Williams
    The Piano, Michael Nyman
    Rudy, Jerry Goldsmith

    BEST ORIGINAL DRAMATIC SCORE (1996):
    Dragonheart, Randy Edelman

    BEST SONG (1977):
    “Stayin’ Alive”, Saturday Night Fever

    BEST SONG (1995)
    “Exhale (Shoop, Shoop)”, Waiting to Exhale
    “Kiss from a Rose”, Batman Forever

    BEST SONG (1996):
    “I Believe I Can Fly”, Space Jam
    “Change the World”, Phenomenon

    BEST SONG (2005):
    “A Love That Will Never Grow Old”, Brokeback Mountain 

    BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE (1994):
    Hoop Dreams 

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    Scottferguson
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    Unfortunately (in most cases) nearly all of those wouldn’t have won with the voters their years. (This includes Hoop Dreams – remember that only those who saw all 5 nominees would have voted, and they mostly would have been the people who didn’t nominate the first go-round).

    Here’s one I always thought – it was big at the time, though not so much now: Glory (1989) – late year limited release, then a big hit on general release, lots of strong Oscar credentials. Hurting it would have been Driving Miss Daisy, but it one case where a nomination could have led to a win.

    No way Singin’ in the Rain – considered a light weight entertainment at the time – would have won the year after another MGM musical, Singin’ in the Rain did. 2001 won no critics awards (had a mixed critical reaction actually). Some Like It Hot – a comedy, so forget about it.  Bogart/Sierra Madre might have made a race of it, but beating Olivier/Hamlet? I doubt it. Your two director guesses have some merit – but who knows, had Affleck been nominated, the whole trajectory of the race would have changed and Argo might not have won BP.

    But you did a thorough and thoughtful job, and I like a lot of your picks.

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    Jason Travis
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    ^ Thanks Scott! Yeah some might seem a stretch back then, but they hold up so well today (Most remember Singin’ in the Rain as opposed to 1951 Best Picture winner An American in Paris). 

    I remember many critics (including Ebert and Siskel) being outraged Hoop Dreams failed to make it.

    I also go by what voters see on their ballots. Sure the nominating committee might not have nodded some of these, but if they had made it- I can see Hoop Dreams getting enough votes to win. Same for the likes of Hamilton’s legendary work in The Wizard of Oz, and Pfeiffer’s brilliance in Batman Returns (1992)- that was such a wide open race, who knows.

    I know you have more insight and information on music and scores, but I can’t imagine voters not checking off the Pyscho music had it made the final cut, or the Brokeback Mountain song (which when failed, was still a mystery to me).  

    Like your Glory pick- yes that was also one that would have been competitive!

    This year- perhaps if submitted by the country, Blue Is the Warmest Color in Foreign Film.  

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    Kidman deserved every Best Actress award in existence for To Die For, but no way she was beating the overdue Sarandon, especially since it would have been Kidman’s first nomination.

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    Even though it should have, no way would 2001 have won. Especially since none of Kubricks other films that got BP noms did.

    Is it too late for campaign for an Honorary Oscar or the Thalberg for Stanley? 

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    I agree on…Affleck.

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    Even though it should have, no way would 2001 have won. Especially since none of Kubricks other films that got BP noms did.

    Is it too late for campaign for an Honorary Oscar or the Thalberg for Stanley? 

    Yes – the rules specifically state they cannot be given posthumously unless the recipient dies after the announcement.

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    Susan Sarandon was way overdue, 4th Lead nomination in 5 years, missing only in 93 and it was a film that had a directing nomination an obvious second place Best Actor and had to be right up there close to a BP nomination. Nicole Kidman was in her 20s on her first nomination and a film that couldn’t even get her nominated, so one has to asume she would’ve been the sole nominee for the film. And in terms of young women and hotness, if somebody wants to throw that one in, Sharon Stone was already in the category.

    A Love That Will Never Grow Old is a great song, I understand the rules and why it didn’t get the nomination, what I don’t understand is why it was so undersused in the film. However, with legendary Dolly Parton right there with a great, great song, Three Six Mafia still won, and I think it would have won against the Brokeback song too.

     

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    Here’s something also to think about:

    I stand by my Brokeback Mountain pick. I remember the majority of people picking the song (on the old LA Times forum) to win the Oscar, and when it won the Golden Globe and other awards, it was seen as a lock. I doubt seriously anyone would believe that “It’s Hard out Here for a Pimp” (which I like actually) would have prevailed over the Brokeback song, had it been nominated. It’s easy to say that now- when it didn’t get the nod, but come on! Ditto for Crash – In an alternate universe, if I came on here and said Crash would have won best picture had it been nominated, I bet a ton of people would tell me “Would never happen” lol.

     

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    Eh I think a better example than Crash as BP would be Marcia Gay Harden who won despite being nominated for no other televised award.

    Crash was nominated for a reason, and it did win WGA/SAG. I mean, I hate it, but still.

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    I don’t think Pimp won just because it’s a good song or its lyrics, to me there were clearly other reasons behind it, like it being so unlike other winners (except Lose Yourself), the fact that it was very much used all over the film, it had its own storyline basically, it was performed by the starts of the film in the film and so on. I feel that a ballad like the Brokeback song would have suffered the same fate as Travelin Thru, which by the way, would’ve been my pick for that year. 

    Remember that the only thing that song needed to do to qualify was stay on Jack’s radio a bit more than it did, or be used first in the closing credits. (I think those were the issues). That’s nothing compared to how Pimp is featured on Hustle & Flow.

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    I agree that the music in Hustle & Flow was important; I am saying that the Brokeback song was clearly the favorite until it wasn’t nominated. Anyone who doesn’t think so wasn’t paying attention during the 2005 awards season. And yes- Marcia Gay Harden would be another example of no one thinking she would have won – though one of the most deserved wins. 

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    Even if it was the favorite “until it wasn’t nominated”, when it came time for the awards show that actually does look at how the song is used and its well known/used as a predicting factor, Pimp might have still won regardless now nominee Love being a favorite before. It’s not about paying attention because I was there, but you opened this thread about going back and rethinking stuff, well rethink those predictions and how they could’ve changed once both songs plus Travelin get nominated and how this argument could’ve come up with some people leaving Love/Travelin behind and switching to Pimp because of what I mentioned before and maybe, just maybe, being right.

    I was very much shocked when it won because how could Dolly possibly loose with that song against these guys, but it happened. But I get it now and maybe I was foolish not thinking about all this back then, with or without Love being a nominee.
     

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    I think Affleck and Argo still would have won if he has been nominated. They would have been going into the season with the critics choice and globe wins. Yes, the tides may have turned with the guild awards, but there isn’t really any evidence at all to suggest that

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    I was going to put Jim Carrey (The Truman Show)- because he is the only actor who won Drama Globe and failed an Oscar nod (I think, at least- correct me if I’m wrong). And also because Roberto seemed like such a random and weak pick for Best Actor in 1998, and Hanks was seen as already a 2-time winner; Norton and Nolte were fine nominees, but longshots. Ian McKellen I think had a chance. Would Carrey have had a chance had he made the cut? 

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