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  • Etchie
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    IF Meryl Streep won her 2nd Oscar for French Lieutenant’s Woman in 1981, what would be the likely outcome & scenarios knowing her film output and nomination count up to this year and her forthcoming projects.  Recall that Streep won some key precursors that year like Golden Globe & BAFTA for Best Actress and was supposedly a close 2nd to Katharine Hepburn on her 4th & final Oscar.  Additionally, Streep’s 1st TIME cover was in relation to her performance on said film and Obama had a crush on her then.

    1. Would Streep have Won for Sophie’s Choice the following year and achieve a very rare Back-to-Back Win?
    2. If Yes on #1, would she have won her 4th for The Iron Lady and waited almost 30 years to break away from the 3-win record set by Hepburn, Bergman, et al?

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    There could be some more possible outcome & scenarios, feel free to share and chime in.  This has been a nagging thought.

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    Anonymous
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    1. YES.
    2. YES.

    And sorry folks, but she should win more than three or four. Her career is just THAT good.

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    RobertPius
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    I’ve always wondered that. “Sophie” was just so acclaimed it seems like it would have been impossible to overlook it. Critics were saying things like “the greatest performance ever given.”  It really was kind of a sensation. 

     

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    Zooey the Dreamer
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    I believe that she would have won for Sophie’s Choice no matter what. The performance is simply that good and obviously the critics adored it as well.

    And had she won her third for Sophie’s Choice, things could have gone three different ways.
    1) She could have won one more in the 80’s because of the press going ga-ga for her breaking the tie with Hepburn and Bergman (because had Streep won in 81, Hepburn would have three) and winning four Oscars in less than ten years. 
    2)  They could have made her wait for decades for a fourth win because this would be a really special win. And The Iron Lady could have been it, with Harvey and everything.
    3) Or maybe they could have snubbed her for The Iron Lady because a fourth win needs a great performance in a great film. Or maybe she would have won for something else.. 

     

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    OnTheAisle
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    As I recall at the time, it was a close race between Streep and Diane Keaton for Reds. It was shocking when Hepburn won, a complete surprise. In reflection at the time, it was surmised that votes split between the two front runners allowing for an unexpected winner.

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    RobertPius
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    I wonder if when the 1981 Oscars were given out  there was already buzz about how great she would be in Sophie. (like stories from the set or rushes and stuff.)

    Maybe that caused some people to not vote for her for French Lieutenant since they knew she had something better coming in the next year.

    I think French Lieutenant was acclaimed but not really liked.  It was kind of Masterpiece Theaterish and her character was kind of unlikable.  

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    vinny
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    Watching all those movies, I honestly eel like Hepburn was the best out of the bunch in my opinion but Streep was definately a close second.

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    Etchie
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    I believe that she would have won for Sophie’s Choice no matter what. The performance is simply that good and obviously the critics adored it as well. 

     

    Roger Ebert rated Sophie’s Choice his #1 film for 1982 versus Gandhi, Tootsie, etc.  And Streep’s performance was the biggest contributor for his rating it  #1.

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    jmj0864
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    1. Yes – Tom Hanks did it in 93 & 94 (its possible)

    2. Yes- after many years of wonderful work and on-going nominations by her peers, I believe they would have given her the 4th Oscar anyway because as flawed as perhaps the film was, there is no denying her uncanny performance as Prime Minister Thatcher and then her meticulous attention to her aging was spectacular.  Only Streep could have carried it off and even the British appreciated it (love/hate) of Ms. Thatcher.  So yes she would have won. 

    3. I think it’s still possible for Streep to win her 4th competitive Oscar, depending on the future output of nominees she may be up with.  You can never count out Meryl for any new film she takes on.  I mean, they are already looking forward to her singing impression in INTO THE WOODs.  If she carries it out with applause, she could very well get her 2nd Supporting win and 4th overall OScar.  She would be tied with Hepburn and be the only Actor to have 2 each in two categories.  What an achievement that is in and of itself.  I think her last performance in August Osage County (showed us that Meryl is definitely in her prime of thespian excellence and that regardless if the film is well reviewed or not fully appeciated, her performance always excels the film.  She is as they call her “the Greatest Living American Actress” still today and every Actor/Actress respects her for the career and the choices she has made and what an inspiration to behold in her Acting ability.  I hope to see she wins another and if she doesn’t I have no doubt the Academy may award her soon for an Honorary Oscar for her contribution of great screen work over her almost 40 years of work that will be admired and looked upon for Ages (just as her idol Bette Davis’ work was and still is significant).  INMHO 🙂

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    seabel
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    #163235

    How the hell is this a thread? Don’t you have the “Meryl Streep Thread”?

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    Etchie
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    Revised the Topic Title to expand the discussion on the potential consequences of not having a 4th win record set by Katharine Hepburn for On Golden Pond. 

    What would the Oscar World now be if there’s no 4-Win Record set by Hepburn in On Golden Pond?

    Not Streep-related discussions are more than welcome, feel free to chime in. 

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    M
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    Streep can have five Oscars. Three in Best Actress and two in Best Supporting Actress. She will have the all time record for nominations in acting. Streep’s legacy is Shakespearean in its permanence.

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    I want Meryl to have a great role in a great film again.  It’s been a while since I’ve gone crazy for one of her films.  Of everything I’ve seen, Deer Hunter is the one that most stays with me.  I’d love to see something that special happen late in her career, preferably for a leading performance.  Maybe Iron Lady had that kind of potential, but boy was that a stinker.  If it happens, I would love to see another win happen.  These days, though, it’ll only occur if the stars align and nobody is overdue or offers a showier role to vote for.

    Love or hate Hepburn, she was a legendary personality and an icon beyond her acting talent.  She’s hugely important for her contributions to film and as a fearless, balls to the wall woman.  She nailed On Golden Pond and won for it, probably carried due to Fonda.  It’s very strange she never won a Golden Globe.  Remember she did have four lead wins.  Only Daniel Day-Lewis has a chance at that, but frankly I think he’s done winning.

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    Etchie
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    According to Jane Fonda, when she spoke to Katharine Hepburn the morning after the Oscars, Hepburn said something like:

    “You cannot catch-up, I already have 4”

    For Bette Davis, Hepburn’s tie with Barbra Streisand should be counted as half (1/2).  I am uncertain when Bette Davis said this.

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    Pavel Romanov
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    This was a four way race between Hepburn, Sarandon, Streep and Keaton with only Marsha Mason on the total outs. It was a toss up between those four. Hepburn probably won for sentimental reasons.

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