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    #181009

     While it’s statistically convincing that Birdman won with SAG + PGA + DGA and took the Oscar while Boyhood remains a critics darling and the British pick, it’s a real statistical anomaly that Big Hero 6 won over How to Train Your Dragon 2. 

     Here’s what I saw when I created a brief chart:
     [img]http://s28.postimg.org/n4vggmvjt/Untitled.jpg[/img][/url]

    In short, the film won none of the percursors (and I don’t even remember it winning any prizes from the critics either). I’m not sure if it’ll happen again in the future…perhaps this is really a once-in-a-life-time occurence. 

     

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    tennisfreak
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    I think it’s unique largely because the film that won so many precursors (The Lego Movie) wasn’t nominated. That opened up a path for it. Also the Academy has yet to go for a sequel in animation when it has already elected not to honor the original. I imagine there were probably some voters who thought “I didn’t vote for this the first time, why start now when it’s probably worse?”

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    #181012

    The statistical anomaly was The Lego Movie getting snubbed. That statistical anomaly led to another statistical anomaly (Big Hero 6 winning).

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    I think it’s unique largely because the film that won so many precursors (The Lego Movie) wasn’t nominated. That opened up a path for it. Also the Academy has yet to go for a sequel in animation when it has already elected not to honor the original. I imagine there were probably some voters who thought “I didn’t vote for this the first time, why start now when it’s probably worse?”

    I actually bought into the idea that BECAUSE they didn’t reward the first one they would go for this one when the opportunity presented itself. It wasn’t like the first one stood a chance at beating Toy Story 3, so you can’t say that they didn’t like it.

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    #181014

    Regardless of the anomaly with this, it was, for me, one of the absolute best and most deserved wins of the night. 

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    tennisfreak
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    [quote=”tennisfreak”]I think it’s unique largely because the film that won so many precursors (The Lego Movie) wasn’t nominated. That opened up a path for it. Also the Academy has yet to go for a sequel in animation when it has already elected not to honor the original. I imagine there were probably some voters who thought “I didn’t vote for this the first time, why start now when it’s probably worse?”

    I actually bought into the idea that BECAUSE they didn’t reward the first one they would go for this one when the opportunity presented itself. It wasn’t like the first one stood a chance at beating Toy Story 3, so you can’t say that they didn’t like it.[/quote]

    Because I honestly wouldn’t trust them to remember what beat it. 🙂 Also let’s face it, the second one was a disappointment, mostly rehashing the first one. Apart from Toy Story 3, no sequel has won this award and I don’t expect that to change.

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    I’m really annoyed with myself for not getting this right. I haven’t seen either film, but it’s all in the title: Big Hero 6 just sounds like a winner, while How to Train Your Dragon 2 is rather galumphing and awkward. Believe it or not, these things can matter with a massive voting body, some of whom might only watch one film and vote for it.

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    Tyler [Last Name]
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    Fuck the haters.

    How To Train Your Dragon 2 was one of the best films of the year, animated or otherwise, and part of me wants to say that the Oscars got it wrong simply on the grounds that Dragons 2 is a really strong cinematic achievement, but part of me wants to commend them for going with not the obvious choice and taking advantage of The LEGO Movie’s snub. I guess there could have been a worse winner (namely The Nut Job or Planes 2… ugh), but I am still kinda pissed that Dragons 2 lost. 

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    I switched to Big Hero 6 the night before the Oscars mainly because I couldn’t keep ignoring that HTTYD2 had been snubbed by BAFTA anymore. Guess I was right and that’s a new stat for us.

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    I’m annoyed with myself. Ever since Big Hero 6 was released, I was betting on it to win Best Animated Feature. The film had great reviews, strong box office, and was fresh off the heels of Disney’s Oscar-beloved Frozen. It appeared as though Disney might start to take over the reigns from Pixar as the new force to beat in the category. I did think that The Lego Movie was close behind, and believe it or not, I was predicting How to Train Your Dragon 2 to get surprisingly left off the ballot (I am proud to say that I did correctly predict The Boxtrolls, The Tale of Princess Kaguya and Song of the Sea to get nominated).

    My reason for betting against HTTYD2 in the first place was as previously mentioned above: it was underwhelming. Sure, it was a box office hit, but it made less than its predecessor. It had strong reviews, but still not as strong as the original. Toy Story 3 on the other hand, was praised for living up to the franchise, being a worthy finale, and at the time, became the highest-grossing animated film ever released. While How to Train Your Dragon didn’t win any Oscars, its legacy was never as strong as the Toy Story films, none of which won any competitive Oscars either. Toy Story 3 had overdue factor, the best reviews, the Pixar name, and the best box office going for it.

    I had a strong feeling that because of the surprise foreign nominees that are virtually unknown in North America getting nominated year after year in the animated category (The Secret of Kells, The Illusionist, A Cat in Paris, Chico and Rita, The Pirates! Band of Misfits, Ernest & Celestine) over beloved box office hits (Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, Despicable Me, Tangled, Monsters Univeristy), that we would see a similar case (thus, my predicting The Boxtrolls, The Tale of Princess Kaguya and Song of the Sea). I was beginning to get the feeling that, like many other years, a seemingly-safe film was going to be left off the ballot. I was correct on that, just wrong about which film it would be.

    When The Lego Movie was left off the ballot, I figured that clearly paved the way for Big Hero 6‘s victory. GoldDerby even gave Big Hero 6 a slight advantage winning over How to Train Your Dragon 2 at that point.

    When How to Train Your Dragon 2 began picking up the top honours at the Golden Globes, the Annie Awards, the National Board of Review, and was pretty much the only alternative to The Lego Movie, I reluctantly switched my prediction, as did most predictors.

    One thing that is worth noting: While I was slightly dissuaded by its success at the Annies, we need to remember that DreamWorks gives all of its employees memberships to the Annie awards, something Pixar has publicly criticized it for in the past. How else can you explain the surprising victories of Kung Fu Panda over WALL-E, or more applicably, How to Train Your Dragon over Toy Story 3? While the Annie Awards are essentially the SAG awards of the animation category, they aren’t a perfect precursor, and a DreamWorks bias should always be taken into consideration.

    On a somewhat unrelated note, I also noticed an interesting comparison. Not sure if this has already been pointed out a dozen times or not, but this isn’t the first time a Disney-distributed origins story of a team of superheroes has won Best Animated Feature over a DreamWorks sequel.

    Big Hero 6‘s victory makes sense. I just think we were all thrown off by the precursors.

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    Daniel B.
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    I switched to Big Hero 6 the night before the Oscars mainly because I couldn’t keep ignoring that HTTYD2 had been snubbed by BAFTA anymore. Guess I was right and that’s a new stat for us.

    Wow. I’ll be completely honest, I didn’t even realize HTTYD2 wasn’t nominated there. BAFTA’s list of winners in this category certainly seems to be more in line with the Oscars. Aside from The Lego Movie, every single BAFTA winner went on to win the Oscar. That’s more accurate than the Golden Globes, Annies, Critics Choice Awards, or Producers Guild Awards. It looks like this is the precursor we need to be paying the most attention to when it comes to Best Animated Feature. Wish I would have noticed that sooner!

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    I wrote an article last week about this that I meant to link here:

    The Best Animated Feature win by Big Hero 6 over How to Train Your Dragon 2 was the single biggest upset of Oscar night per Gold Derby’s racetrack odds, but it should not have been.  The snub by the academy of The Lego Movie, which still went on to win the Producers Guild and Critics’ Choice Movie Awards for Best Animated Feature, certainly threw a wrench into things, but the subsequent congregation around How to Train Your Dragon 2 was statistically unsound.

    How to Train Your Dragon 2 held frontrunner status because it swept the Annies and won the Golden Globe, but those are not credible Oscar precursors.  The terrible track record of the Annie Awards was well demonstrated when the first How to Train Your Dragon won ten while Toy Story 3 (2010) took zero.  Not only was Toy Story 3 the Oscars’ Best Animated Feature, but it was the rare animated film also to be nominated for Best Picture and for its Screenplay.  The Globes are decided by ninety people, none of whom also vote for the Oscars.  The academy does overlap its membership with those of BAFTA and the industry guilds.

    BAFTA introduced an animated category in 2006.  Like the Oscars, they awarded Happy Feet (the Annies and Globes went for Cars) and shared winners every year until this one, when BAFTA feted the Oscar-snubbed The Lego Movie.  At least BAFTA nominated Big Hero 6 though and maintains a perfect record of nominating the Oscar winner.  Despite having nominated the first How to Train Your Dragon, the sequel was left off for The Boxtrolls, which had much worse critical reviews (61 versus 76 on Metacritic) and box office ($14 million versus $42 million in the United Kingdom and $108 million versus $619 million worldwide).

    No American guild has a better track record of predicting the Oscar animated winner than the American Cinema Editors, unsurprising given the historical correlation between the academy’s editing branch and Best Picture.  After nominating Ratatouille (2007) and actually awarding WALL•E (2008) as comedies, ACE introduced an animated category and it has always included the Oscar winner among its nominees.  Like at BAFTA, The Lego Movie prevailed this year, while Big Hero 6 and The Boxtrolls rounded out the nominees.

    The experts, editors and users of Gold Derby collectively predicted How to Train Your Dragon 2 on the basis of a pair of spotty precursors while ignoring a different pair with staggering accuracy.  It might not have even been the runner-up, given the industry regard for The Boxtrolls.

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    I predicted How to Train your Dragon 2 like most people, I don’t mind I was wrong in all honesty. 

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    Fuck the haters.

    How To Train Your Dragon 2 was one of the best films of the year, animated or otherwise, and part of me wants to say that the Oscars got it wrong simply on the grounds that Dragons 2 is a really strong cinematic achievement, but part of me wants to commend them for going with not the obvious choice and taking advantage of The LEGO Movie’s snub. I guess there could have been a worse winner (namely The Nut Job or Planes 2… ugh), but I am still kinda pissed that Dragons 2 lost. 

     

    This.

    Instead,  let’s put one on the mantel for the Military Industrial Complex.

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